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What brand of wheelsets do you use?

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What brand of wheelsets do you use?
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 8, 2004 7:00 PM
"I was using Kadees, but I am now trying to find a better wheelset. That is why I don't have Kadee listed if that is what you wanted to vote for."

Never mind the above. Thanks to a suggestion by Mondotrains, I am staying with Kadee's.
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, April 8, 2004 8:23 PM
I'm using Proto 2000. I've been converting all of my HO frieght cars. Haven't touched my Rivorossi passenger cars yet but I'm planning on it.

From what I've read on another thread discussing wheel sets, I'll probably wind up filing or cutting off the brake shoes on my passenger car's trucks to be able to fit the "36 wheels. I could us "33, but IMHO it would be too noticeable.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 8, 2004 8:42 PM
I have tried most of the available wheel sets.I am now set on Intermountain (Reboxx) wheel sets as the best of the lot.I am slowly replacing all others.
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Posted by Jetrock on Friday, April 9, 2004 2:09 PM
I recently switched over to semi-scale Intermountain wheelsets and am very happy with the results. I have had fewer problems with derailments than with my plastic wheels--the flanges aren't THAT much narrower, and the added weight at the lowest point on the car more than makes up for it--plus the smooth running is a real bonus. Even using (mostly) stock sideframes I had no trouble, except with one car that had individually sprung sideframes--the wheelsets kept falling out, and it ran horribly. But with a solid sideframe most of my (mostly stock Athearn blue-box) rolling stock ran wonderfully.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 9, 2004 3:03 PM
NWSL exclusively. Never had a bad one, have had no disappointments and no failures. I have tried others but have always found a small percentage to be out of gauge and/or out of round. I have no one piece truck frames, all mine are sprung if that makes a difference.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 9, 2004 3:12 PM
Be C A R E F U L. Wheel sets vary in axle lengths. I have used the IM 36" ball bearing(pricey) and
the 36" non ball bearing. Slick roll
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Posted by orsonroy on Friday, April 9, 2004 3:34 PM
I'm using Proto 2000 due to their lower relative cost, and to standardize on ONE wheelset for my entire fleet (keeps thinks simpler). I'd switch to semi scale wheels if Proto made 'em.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 9, 2004 4:58 PM
I have converted everything on the layout to P2K wheel sets except my passenger cars, which will eventually be converted. I love them! I like the detailed lettering on the hub and the fact that they are silver on the tread. There are some trucks that probably should have longer axles, however, everything seems to be working well, so I'm satisfied. I have been getting them from M. B. Klien, they're practically giving them away. I love the little clickity-clack as the wheels cross rail joints and almost wish I had more joints!?! I also see very little garp building up on them. The plastics actually increased in diameter with all the crud they picked up.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 9, 2004 7:25 PM
After testing many different company's wheels several years ago I've had the best luck with Atlas. They roll better then other manufacters wheels ,plus there are'nt any crooked wheels or axels. I use 33'' caboose wheels and 36'' 100 ton wheels that I bought in packs of 100. Atlas caboose wheels axles and the 100 ton axles are the same length so they fit any truck frame. The 33" freight car wheels Atlas has, have shorter axles so they won't fit right. To check rolling qualty I have a special car that I use.In my layout I have a low spot in the track .It's about 3 ft. long and 1/2 inch lower. I let the car go on the down hill side,With Atlas wheels it rolles into the dip and sometimes all the way through.Other manufactor wheels will not make it all the way across.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 9, 2004 8:46 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mustache

After testing many different company's wheels several years ago I've had the best luck with Atlas.

Never tried them but have heard of good reports.
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Posted by AggroJones on Friday, April 9, 2004 11:15 PM
On most cars I use Intermountain. If they won't fit the trucks, Protos or Kadees will be substituted. I sure would use IM on everything if money permitted. Their weight and design make for a smooth ride.
If I knew I was going to have this many freight cars, I would have bought the Intermountain 100 bulk pack.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, April 10, 2004 7:06 AM
Go with proto i've used atlas and they don't like whalters or atheran freight cars. I've never used IM. i don't like kadees eithier. All my normally run cars have proto wheels and kadee couplers
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Posted by CBQ_Guy on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:00 PM
I haven't joined the herd to converting over and never understood why. I certainly don't want my cars to roll all that freely! I'd have to use a laser level to build the layout so a spotted car or string wouldn't roll away!

The ones that come with the kits are generally fine with me. If they're REALLY bad I'll use the Kadee ones as a replacement. My friend replaces ALL his wheelsets with Kadee's and he doesn't seem to need to clean his track anymore than he ever did, and that hasn't changed since he's switched over to DCC either. I just don't understand the need for it personally.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 15, 2004 7:13 PM
I am using Reboxx, InterMountain, P2K, and of course, the stock Atlas and Kadee. Quite frankly, I see very little difference among them. The Reboxx probably roll freer than the others, but I doubt if the difference is worth the cost differential. P2K is quite good enough!

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Posted by cacole on Saturday, May 15, 2004 8:08 PM
I don't believe Kadee wheelsets wear away any more than other brands. I have all different brands of plastic and metal wheelsets, and haven't noticed any undue wear. The only time I can imagine that wear would be a problem is if your train runs 8 or so hours a day as part of a store demo or something. Wheelsets should last for many years and not wear out under normal use. But on new items, I'm now using Proto 2000 because I think they are the freest rolling of any brand.



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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 16, 2004 2:24 AM
I use Proto because they seem to be more free wheeling then the others, thus I have less problems. The difference can be felt when pulling or pushing a bunch of heavy cars up a grade.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:06 AM
I'm using Proto metal wheels - they seem a pretty good fit for Athearn cars though they're a bit looser than I'd like. I'm intrigued to hear about Kadee wheelsets potentially causing trouble - I only have one car fitted with these (an old Rail Power Products 56' well car kit that I fitted with Kadee trucks (and couplers)) Which has never cause any trouble, but then again, it does spend most of its time parked in the yard awaiting a suitable load.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:27 AM
Originally posted by Railroading_Brit

I'm using Proto metal wheels - they seem a pretty good fit for Athearn cars though they're a bit looser than I'd like.


Here some variables furnished by Master Modeler Nigel from this forum.
P2K axle lengths-1.008, Intermountain - 1.013. KD -1.018 and the list goes on.

I understand from an Atlas forum member that the Atlas caboose wheels fit Athearn cars perfectly.

When I bot my freight cars I bot better quality and didn't have to go thru all this crap
but it was one hell of a learning lesson on passenger cars.
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Posted by mondotrains on Sunday, May 16, 2004 9:40 AM
Hi cjm89,
You may want to reconsider and continue using Kadee wheelsets.

I posted a question about replacement metal wheelsets several weeks ago. While I liked the fit of the Kadees and the clickity-clack sound they make, I had noticed that they were dirtying my track because of the plating on them and thought that some other brand, without the black plating, might be an answer. Based on over 50 responses, the Intermountain wheels seemed to be the way to go. They were touted as the most free-rolling and didn't have the black plating of the Kadees. However, after installing 100 Intermountain wheelsets, I noticed that they are so free-rolling that I was having problems with cars rolling when I didn't want them to.

When I built my benchwork, I did my best to level it, including using refrigerator leveling feet on all the legs. However, even the slightest grade...and I mean slightest....will cause a single car with Intermountain wheels to roll, sometimes out of a yard track and fouling a turnout. My buddies and I decided that while the slickness of the IM wheels is great, switching with them would be a problem. We didn't want to be backing away from a spotted car just to have it roll forward and recouple to an engine. We also realized that it would be next to impossible to "fix" the track and make the mainline and all the sidings perfectly flat. One guy had suggested that I could use a pin set under the wheels to keep a car from rolling but that is not a good answer because of the reach in some places. Maybe he thought I had grades on my layout, but I don't.

Believe it or not, we've decided to use Kadee wheels. I know it sounds crazy, but I'm using a wire brush in a Dremel to clean off the black plating from the wheel treads and flange of the Kadees. It takes about a minute per wheelset, but I think it's worth it because then I don't have the plating dirtying my track and the shiny appearance of the tread and flange is better. Another reason I'm using the Kadees is because the axle is a little longer than IM and Protos (as mentioned in one of the responses to your thread) and therefore they fit better. I think some of the guys who reponded to my thread that Kadees didn't fit the trucks well may not have used the Reboxx tool which is used to hone out the journal on trucks. Having used the tool myself, I get all the Kadee wheels spinning very freely. I think it's better to hone out the trucks to make the Kadees fit than to buy Protos or IM with shorter axles which then are a little "sloppy" in the truck. By the way, I tried the Proto wheelsets and they are also too slick for slight unlevel areas of my track.

I guess it's like anything else, including buying a car. Some people swear by certain manufacturers and others wouldn't touch them.

All in all, the Kadees are slick enough and the metal wheels keep my track cleaner and stay in gauge better than plastic wheels. Certainly I can run pretty long trains with the Kadees without putting a strain on my engines. If I go to much longer trains, I will double-head them anyway. I'll take a little less slickness from the Kadees rather than deal with the "rolling" problem with the IM's and Protos. Please understand that I did not include cost as a factor. If the IM wheels suited me, I would gladly have spent the extra money for them.

Hope this helps.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 16, 2004 10:10 AM
Have you ever tried using the ReBoxx trucK Tuner? I ahve one and it does make your wheelsets more free-rolling.
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Posted by mondotrains on Sunday, May 16, 2004 5:09 PM
Hey cmj89,
I really wish you'd take the time to read my thoughtful and rather lengthy response to your thread. You may notice I mentioned the Reboxx tool. I was hoping I could help you make a decision.

Mondo

QUOTE: Originally posted by cjm89

Have you ever tried using the ReBoxx trucK Tuner? I ahve one and it does make your wheelsets more free-rolling.
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Posted by nfmisso on Sunday, May 16, 2004 6:58 PM
I use the metal wheels that fir the trucks best. I have cars that I installed P2K, IM and Kadee wheels. Form the manufacturer, also add Atlas, and Athearn Genesis.

Some of my cars have .088" treads (semi scale) they seem fine on well laid track. If you track is not up to NMRA standards, they are more likely to have problems than .110" treads.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 16, 2004 7:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by mondotrains

Hey cmj89,
I really wish you'd take the time to read my thoughtful and rather lengthy response to your thread. You may notice I mentioned the Reboxx tool. I was hoping I could help you make a decision.

Mondo

QUOTE: Originally posted by cjm89

Have you ever tried using the ReBoxx trucK Tuner? I ahve one and it does make your wheelsets more free-rolling.



I certainly do and it's worth printing a copy for subsequent referrals.
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Posted by mondotrains on Monday, May 17, 2004 5:08 PM
I'm just curious as to why you don't like the Kadees.

Mondo


QUOTE: Originally posted by cjm89

I was using Kadees, but I am now trying to find a better wheelset. That is why I don't have Kadee listed if that is what you wanted to vote for.
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Posted by CBQ_Guy on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 3:47 PM
I hate these incomplete polls!

Where's Kadee and Reboxx, for example?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 18, 2004 6:30 PM
I guess now since I have decided to use Kadees after all, I'll put them on the poll, CB&Q Guy.

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