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the free Altas software is easy to use, and will give you a rough estimate of what you want. I use it to get a Look of what i want, then once it looks right on the screen, i then go back to the old pencil and replicate it to look right on the layout. Modifications and such will occur, but the atlas software does give me a better feel of what it'll look like. much better than having 200 lines on the layout, eraser marks, and various hole from push pinning templete on. <br /> <br />Jay
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