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abraham lincoln's funeral car?
abraham lincoln's funeral car?
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M636C
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January 2002
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Posted by
M636C
on Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:22 AM
Warranties,
My recollection is that "Pocher" was a premium brand used by Rivarossi, (like Lexus being made by Toyota) and they did make highly detailed models of early American locomotives, mainly Virginia and Truckee 4-4-0s and a 2-4-0 ("Bowker"). They were limited production, but they certainly weren't made of brass.
They did look nice, but at that price, I'd want to be sure it was in good order and the one I wanted. Is it illustrated?
Peter
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dknelson
Member since
March 2002
From: Milwaukee WI (Fox Point)
11,439 posts
Posted by
dknelson
on Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:10 AM
I suspect not too many of those Lincoln funeral cars were sold back in the 1960s when they were first offered -- I think they sold then for about $4. AHM also offered a brightly colored circus or wild west show car at the time that I suspect also has a certain collector's value mainly because so few were sold.
But I recall seeing a Lincoln funeral car at the DuPage swap meet just a few years ago and I think the guy wanted $15 bucks for it -- sometimes things get strange on e-bay .... I would try to exhaust the swap meet market before I'd pay $100 for what in the last analysis is still just a plastic car originally offered to the beginners / toy market.
Dave Nelson
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Anonymous
Member since
April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Thursday, April 29, 2004 12:42 PM
A lot of good information given here. For the novice, let me perhaps clarify that you will see products manufactured by Rivarossi under the names of Pocher and AHM as well as Rivarossi. These were the results of marketing and distribution agreements; Pocher was NOT a "Lexus" brand. IHC is marketing the old Rivarossi 4-4-0s under their own name; were at first being made for them in the Czech Republic but I think are now being made in China. These models do not run as well as the original Rivarossi if running qualities are important to you.
I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the Rivarossi passenger and baggage cars based on Virginia and Truckee prototypes. No longer in production but easy to find on E-Bay and at gtrain shows, and reasonably priced. Although the clerestory roofs are not of the correct style for the Lincoln train, they are the correct length and body style, and are nicely made for plastic. Replacing the roofs would not be difficult.
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Anonymous
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April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Sunday, May 2, 2004 6:05 PM
Novice here (or should that be Nuisance?) Well i still have not found a Lincoln Funeral Car yet. But what really is getting to me is all the different prices between brands. Is a Markle and/or Ahern or whatever that much better? Cannot believe the price spreads here. Is there a way to learn in writing all about these different manufacturers?
Thanks
gary
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M636C
Member since
January 2002
4,612 posts
Posted by
M636C
on Sunday, May 2, 2004 7:17 PM
Warranties,
Model trains are like cars. You can pay anything you like for a car, from a basic Hyundai Accent to a Rolls Royce Phantom. Both will get to the mall and home with your weekly groceries, but they are different. Which is the right one for you depends on your means and your expectations. There are comments and questions about locomotives on lots of threads here, but most seem to suggest that the lower middle (Proto1000, Bachmann Spectrum) give you good detail and good running. Broadway Limited give you inbuilt sound and digital decoders - if that sounds like a Rolls Royce, it might not be for you.
Rails5' comments are right about the Rivarossi cars. The Lincoln train car sides and ends are very like the Rivarossi cars, but you would need to change the roof and trucks. I think the Bachmann cars might do as well, but try to find them and check against the photos.
You are looking for a model of a civil war era 4-4-0, and there aren't many of those, and Bachmann and Rivarossi are the most common. If you can find one that you like, and it test runs well, it will probably do. But with the "basic" Bachmann trains (made in China) sometimes quality control isn't that good, and it pays to test run it first (Or deal with a supplier that will replace it if it doesn't meet your standard).
My comments about Pocher referred to their marketing in Europe. In the USA, AHM, who imported them, didn't price them as high as in other markets. In Japan, Lexus cars are sold just as Toyotas (with different names). The Lexus coupe was called the Toyota Soarer. It was the same car exactly.
Peter
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Anonymous
Member since
April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Monday, May 3, 2004 9:32 AM
Thanks for the responce Peter, lots of good stuff there. I travel a great deal in my business and have been stopping at Hobby Shops all over. The more I do, the more confused I get. When it comes to tracks, it seems some like the new style with the base attached....probably because they like to sell them. Others tell me to use only brass and cork. Some told me to use other type tracks. Must be about what they have the most of in stock....or maybe I'm paranoid.
Gary (Novice)
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M636C
Member since
January 2002
4,612 posts
Posted by
M636C
on Monday, May 3, 2004 9:29 PM
Gary,
While this isn't the current topic, with track, it depends how you will use it. If you are just starting out, you might want to try different track arrangements to see what suits you, and sectional track will allow that. It does limit you regarding curve radius and dimensions. Flexible track gives you the ability to curve and place the track exactly where you want, but needs to be fixed down straight away before you can run a train.
If you will be changing things, the track with attached base is stronger and locks together better. Remember that the little metal rail joiners carry the power current as well as holding sectional track together. They are easily damaged, and can cause poor running if they don't make good electrical contact. Most track with base attached has other connectors to hold the rails together, to take the stress off the rail connectors. One of my friends had used the conventional sectional track (he was a bit rough with it) but when he changed over to track with the base attached, his trains ran better.
It is worth getting corrosion resistant track, stainless steel (called nickel silver sometimes) is better electrically than brass or plated ordinary steel. When you add scenery and ground covering, the type of track is less obvious anyway. Just get something that won't rust, and is strong enough for what you want to do!
Peter
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Anonymous
Member since
April 2003
305,205 posts
Posted by
Anonymous
on Monday, June 28, 2004 7:02 PM
Novice here. Finally won a Lincoln funeral car on Ebay....paid a ransom for it. Things have changed...not gonna do a layout just yet, but am going to display cars etc on shelves. Why, you may ask? Well unfortunately I have recently been fascinated by such things as Roco, Liliput etc etc etc. Are these things that much better than others. The prices are unreal. What is the pecking order here, whose on first, second, third??
Anyway, thanks for all the previous advice and am looking forward to any responces. Should this different shift be on a new post??
Gary
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jwmurrayjr
Member since
February 2002
From: US
517 posts
Posted by
jwmurrayjr
on Monday, June 28, 2004 7:56 PM
A very interesting topic. February '95
MR
had a good article on Lincoln's funeral train with scale drawings of the 4-4-0
Nashville
and the funeral car. The car had "extra wide" wheel tread so that it could be used on both standard and 5' gauge.
I also read recently, as already mentioned, that Pullman's
Pioneer
was used during the last part of the trip, this being, although a bit macabre, a real boon for Pullman.
Jim Murray
The San Juan Southern RR
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