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BLI SW7 not being detected
Posted by derf on Saturday, April 1, 2017 2:28 PM

I have a BLI HO Paragon SW7 and an NCE power pro DCC system. I set the engine on the program track and I get a buzz. The system won't detect the decoder. I set the engine on the main and I still get the buzz but the lights come on. I don't see a name on the decoder but it is the one that comes with it I'm assuming. What's my next move?

 

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Posted by jrbernier on Saturday, April 1, 2017 3:14 PM

  I suspect that 'buzz' is the motor.  Open it up and make sure the motor can turn over by hand.  The program track usually does not have enough power to operate the lights.

  Another possibility is that this BLI engine is a 'Blueline' series with no motor decoder - hence the buzz...

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Posted by derf on Saturday, April 1, 2017 5:24 PM

Jim,

The motor turns very free. There is a board in it that has no manufacturer name but it has "CD02 No Sound".  How do I tell if it is a "Blueline" series? For what it's worth, it came in a red box paragon series on the box. It also says Quantum equipped but it also says no sound.

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, April 1, 2017 10:37 PM

jrbernier

The program track usually does not have enough power to operate the lights.

Jim

Jim,

I've never had that issue with my Power Cab.  I can test lights, sound - everything - on my programming track.

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, April 1, 2017 10:45 PM

Fred,

Did you purchase your SW7 off eBay recently?  If it came in a red box then it's Quantum and not Blueline.  If you did buy it used then it's possible that the decoder could be bad.  A buzzing motor generally happens when you try operating a locomotive on DCC that has no decoder.

Did you locomotive come with a manual?  You may need to move a jumper on the Quantum board in order to operate it in DCC.  I had one Quantum-equipped locomotive years ago but I don't remember having to do that.  Also, I remember Quantum decoders always being sound decoders.  No sound may mean it is DCC-ready but has not decoder.

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, April 2, 2017 5:33 AM

derf

Jim,

The motor turns very free. There is a board in it that has no manufacturer name but it has "CD02 No Sound".  How do I tell if it is a "Blueline" series? For what it's worth, it came in a red box paragon series on the box. It also says Quantum equipped but it also says no sound.

Thanks,

Fred 

Fred, your next move is to call BLI tomorrow morning. The red box is the original Paragon series, not Blueline, not Paragon 2, not Paragon 3.

What is the road name and cab number?

What is the Item No. on the box?

I did not realize that QSI made non-sound decoders. I thought that QSI was a sound decoder manufacturer.

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Posted by derf on Sunday, April 2, 2017 5:49 AM
Tom, Yes I just got it off Ebay and there were no instructions with it. Rich, It is an IC #1075 SW7. The box doesn't match the loco. The box does say no sound. There is a board inside with an 8 pin location in it. Is there a list that shows what decoder goes best with each manufacturer? I have looked on Tony's trains and others and I'm not seeing one. Thanks, Fred
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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, April 2, 2017 6:09 AM

derf
Tom, Yes I just got it off Ebay and there were no instructions with it. Rich, It is an IC #1075 SW7. The box doesn't match the loco. The box does say no sound. There is a board inside with an 8 pin location in it. Is there a list that shows what decoder goes best with each manufacturer? I have looked on Tony's trains and others and I'm not seeing one. Thanks, Fred
 

Yeah, the fact that the box doesn't match the loco complicates things. Without the correct box, no telling if it is even a BLI product. Is the loco orange and white?

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, April 2, 2017 6:12 AM

derf

Jim,

The motor turns very free. There is a board in it that has no manufacturer name but it has "CD02 No Sound".  How do I tell if it is a "Blueline" series? For what it's worth, it came in a red box paragon series on the box. It also says Quantum equipped but it also says no sound.

Thanks,

Fred 

The Blueline series came factory equipped with a sound and lights board but no motor decoder, so I doubt if it is a Blueline. Is it even a BLI?

Do you have some way to test it on a separate track? If it is merely "DCC Ready", place it on a piece of flex track and wire up a DC power pack to the track. See if you get movement or lights. It seems as if you have a non-DCC loco without a decoder.

By the way, the ICRR SW7 series were numbered in the low 1200s, no 1075 on the prototype. The ICRR did have a #1075 on a NW2 and later on a renumbered SW14.

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Posted by derf on Sunday, April 2, 2017 6:33 AM

Rich,

 

It's black. Broadway Limited is stamped on the bottom.

 

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Posted by derf on Sunday, April 2, 2017 6:40 AM

Rich,

 

It runs fine on DC. What decoder or where would I find, what decoder is right for this or any loco?

 

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Posted by gdelmoro on Sunday, April 2, 2017 7:07 AM

Have you called BLI.  I had problems on my programming track with the NCE PowerPro system and they told me I needed a booster.

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, April 2, 2017 8:05 AM

derf

Rich,

 

It's black. Broadway Limited is stamped on the bottom.

 

 

I dug up this old thread. Could yours be one of them?

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/p/221839/2453075.aspx

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, April 2, 2017 8:08 AM

gdelmoro

Have you called BLI.  I had problems on my programming track with the NCE PowerPro system and they told me I needed a booster.

 

You can see from the photo that it is lacking an 8-pin decoder. 

Since the switcher is so small, it probably needs something like a Digitrax DZ123PS?

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Posted by derf on Sunday, April 2, 2017 8:19 AM

Thanks for all your help guys.

Fred

 

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Posted by tstage on Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:03 AM

Fred,

Since it's a switcher I would go with a decoder from TCS.  Their motor-control is phenomenal - just what you want when switching trains.

One of the M1 decoders with an 8-pin harness would be an excellent choice.  (I would email TCS directly to get their recommendation and feedback.)  The harness will be determined by where Pin 1 is on the NRMA socket.  Or, you may also be able to plug right into it without a harness.

TCS decoders will not be inexpensive but they are my defacto decoder for motor-only control and worth the extra expense.  Your SW7 will absolutely crawl with one.

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Posted by derf on Sunday, April 2, 2017 11:31 AM

Tom,

I have looked all over the TCS site as well as NCE's and can't find how to select a decoder. Digitrax is the only place I have found where you plug in what type engine you have and it spits out the decoders. Do you use a site or just ask the manufacturer to recommend one?

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, April 2, 2017 11:37 AM

If you look at that photo of the PC board, pin holes #1 and #5 appear to be covered by solder.

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Posted by JoeinPA on Sunday, April 2, 2017 12:42 PM

richhotrain

If you look at that photo of the PC board, pin holes #1 and #5 appear to be covered by solder.

Rich

 

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Isn't that the top of the DC jumper plug?

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, April 2, 2017 12:58 PM

 All these replies and it's very obvious this is a DC only model.

THe buzz fromt he first message, on program track or main, is the give away. The fact that it says no sound on the board gives it away, and the picture provided of the inside only makes it intuitively obvious even to the most casual of observers (as my old HS chemistry teacher used to say - RIP Mr. Santee).

Wasn;t that long ago someone got a brand new in the box Intermountain loco and though the box said it was Loksound equipped, it in fact was one of the DCC no sound versions which had a Lokpilot decoder in it. Factory sealed, so no one was pulling a fast one, there was a mix up, probably in China when they were packaged. In this case, if purchased used, if it was from one of those sellers who doesn't normally sell train stuff, they could easily have just been going by the box, but if sold by someone who knows trains, it's a little fishy they just sold it based on the box and didn't check the contents.

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, April 2, 2017 1:14 PM

JoeinPA
 
richhotrain

If you look at that photo of the PC board, pin holes #1 and #5 appear to be covered by solder.

Rich

 

 

Rich

Isn't that the top of the DC jumper plug?

Joe 

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LOL, yes it is.

I need new glasses.

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Posted by JoeinPA on Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:23 PM

richhotrain

 

 
JoeinPA
 
richhotrain

If you look at that photo of the PC board, pin holes #1 and #5 appear to be covered by solder.

Rich

 

 

Rich

Isn't that the top of the DC jumper plug?

Joe 

 

 

Oh my. Embarrassed

 

LOL, yes it is.

I need new glasses.

Rich

 

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Posted by tstage on Sunday, April 2, 2017 4:46 PM

derf

Tom,

I have looked all over the TCS site as well as NCE's and can't find how to select a decoder. Digitrax is the only place I have found where you plug in what type engine you have and it spits out the decoders. Do you use a site or just ask the manufacturer to recommend one?

Fred,

TCS has a listing of manufacturers & decoders on their website under the "Installation pictures" tab (left side of the homepage) but it isn't all-inclusive.  I would either email or call TCS directly to get their recommendation for your BLI SW7.

The M1 should be a good choice because it's small and it doesn't take up much room, which is great for small switchers.  TCS will either confirm or deny that notion.

I agree that the decoder selection feature on the Digitrax website is really nice and well-done.  While Digitrax and NCE make good decoders, TCS decoders are top-notch and worth the additional expense - at least in my book.

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, April 2, 2017 5:00 PM

tstage

While Digitrax and NCE make good decoders, TCS decoders are top-notch and worth the additional expense - at least in my book.

For a used switcher?  I would go cheap and buy a Digitrax 2 function decoder like the DZ123PS.

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Posted by gmpullman on Sunday, April 2, 2017 5:41 PM

Sometimes it is a good idea to use a plug-in type like the TCS DP-2X that does not have the added pig-tail.

https://www.tcsdcc.com/Customer_Content/Installation_Pictures/HO_Scale/Bachmann/Doodlebug/Bachmann%20Doodlebug.htm

These take up much less room and pretty much are a simple swap for the DC jumper "dummy" plug.

My 2 Cents

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Posted by tstage on Sunday, April 2, 2017 6:06 PM

New or used, Rich...Makes no difference to me.  If it's a good switcher; it gets a TCS decoder.  I want a switcher to excel at slow switching and TCS gives me that.  But that's just me...

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Posted by tstage on Sunday, April 2, 2017 6:10 PM

Yes A excellent choice, Ed, and perhaps the one I was thinking of as a plug 'n play vs. needing a harness.

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, April 2, 2017 8:03 PM

tstage

New or used, Rich...Makes no difference to me.  If it's a good switcher; it gets a TCS decoder.  I want a switcher to excel at slow switching and TCS gives me that.  But that's just me...

Tom

 

Yeah, but $36.50 for a non-sound decoder versus $20 ???

A used switcher??

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Posted by tstage on Sunday, April 2, 2017 8:26 PM

Yepper, Rich.  It depends on the switcher though.  Some "used" switchers are better (and more worth investing in) than some new ones.

As I said, Rich, that's me...

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Posted by hobo9941 on Sunday, April 2, 2017 9:45 PM

That's just a light board in the picture.

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