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Athern Genesis Problem

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Posted by tomcat on Sunday, June 30, 2013 4:58 AM

Thanks for all your valuable help,

problem was resolved when i did as mentioned above , Soldering all the wires to the decoder and doing away with those "black caps'

Also seemed to have found some extra speed and power in the loco

Thanks guys .....you are all wonderful!!!!

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Posted by NP01 on Friday, June 21, 2013 8:54 AM

I had the same problem with this one loco.  It was solved when I soldered the wires to the decoder rather than the original where the wires were inserted in the decoder connections and held in place with those little black plastic tabs. 

I was getting ready to venture into truck disassembly, fortunately I thought of soldering first and the loco runs fine now.

NP.  

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Posted by wp8thsub on Monday, June 17, 2013 12:00 PM

richhotrain
...I am inclined to think that there is a loose or broken pickup wire.

It's an Athearn product.  Loose and/or broken wires are standard features.  Literally every Atheran RTR and Genesis loco I have worked on has had one or both.

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Posted by richhotrain on Monday, June 17, 2013 4:58 AM

tomcat

ooopps! maybe i should have mentioned this before

I use a Power Cab with a Pro Cab and i know they are on the correct addresses as i have no other problems with any engine running

A reset of the decoder didnt seem to work any..Sad

I have the Pro Cab system, and I have no problem with the same cab address on two different throttles.

Have you checked your two throttles, the Power Cab and the Pro Cab, to see if the same cab number is on both throttles.

If no problem there, and the decoder reset to factory default did not work, then check the power pickup wires for loose or broken connections.

Rich

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Posted by tomcat on Monday, June 17, 2013 1:43 AM

ooopps! maybe i should have mentioned this before

I use a Power Cab with a Pro Cab and i know they are on the correct addresses as i have no other problems with any engine running

A reset of the decoder didnt seem to work any..Sad

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, June 16, 2013 9:01 PM

richhotrain

maxman

Seems to me that someone posted a similar problem recently, and it turned out that the loco was being addressed from two different throttles.

I recall that too, but I cannot recall the type of operating system.  On my NCE PH-Pro 5 amp system, that would not cause a problem.  Can the OP be more specific?  Is it a Power Cab, perhaps?

The reset of the decoder to factory default should narrow things down a bit.  If not that, I am inclined to think that there is a loose or broken pickup wire.

Rich

This is why I even answered it in the first place..

Cheers,

Frank

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:55 PM

Back to the actual topic of this thread, not all DCC systems will behave strangely if the same cab number is on two different throttles.

Rich

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:49 PM

IT'S ON PAGE TWO,the second post,,,,, starts out with,,,,hhhhmmmm. There have been three,new posts,since I answered yours..

Cheers,

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:45 PM

zstripe

You were probably napping,,,,when I answered the post it was the last one on the page,,,,no matter he has the link,,you provided,,,,His screen name is Tomcat,,so he will be out later tonight..LOL..

Cheers,

Frank

Frank,

You gotta chill out.  The only thing at the bottom of this page is a site map.

I went looking for that other thread which is not all that easy to find and provided the link as a courtesy to others which is what you shoulda done.   Dead

Rich

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:41 PM

You were probably napping,,,,when I answered the post it was the last one on the page,,,,no matter he has the link,,you provided,,,,His screen name is Tomcat,,so he will be out later tonight..LOL..

Cheers,

Frank

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:30 PM

zstripe

Rich,

Nice of you to give him the clickable link,,,,but all he had to do is scroll down to it,,,,it's still on page 1,,that's where we are right now..

Cheers,

Frank

where?

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, June 16, 2013 7:27 PM

Rich,

Nice of you to give him the clickable link,,,,but all he had to do is scroll down to it,,,,it's still on page 1,,that's where we are right now..

Cheers,

Frank

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, June 16, 2013 5:11 PM

zstripe

maxman

Seems to me that someone posted a similar problem recently, and it turned out that the loco was being addressed from two different throttles.

The member who had a similar problem was ''BIG JERR''

At the bottom of this page...

Cheers,

Frank

Here is the link to that thread.

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/744/p/218388/2408539.aspx#2408539

Rich

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:58 PM

TOMCAT,

Check out the thread,in Elect and DCC,,,,STRANGE ACTING DECODER,SOUNDTRAX..posted by Big Jerr,,see if that will help you with your problem..

Cheers,

Frank

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Posted by zstripe on Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:12 PM

maxman

Seems to me that someone posted a similar problem recently, and it turned out that the loco was being addressed from two different throttles.

The member who had a similar problem was ''BIG JERR''

At the bottom of this page...

Cheers,

Frank

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Posted by richhotrain on Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:19 PM

maxman

Seems to me that someone posted a similar problem recently, and it turned out that the loco was being addressed from two different throttles.

I recall that too, but I cannot recall the type of operating system.  On my NCE PH-Pro 5 amp system, that would not cause a problem.  Can the OP be more specific?  Is it a Power Cab, perhaps?

The reset of the decoder to factory default should narrow things down a bit.  If not that, I am inclined to think that there is a loose or broken pickup wire.

Rich

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Posted by maxman on Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:38 PM

Seems to me that someone posted a similar problem recently, and it turned out that the loco was being addressed from two different throttles.

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Posted by peahrens on Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:53 AM

Why not try a decoder reset (CV8 = 8, then power DCC system off / on) which will put everything back to factory settings (including address = 3).  If the behavior does not change, then you know it's not a settings issue.  At that point, it's over my head.

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Posted by cacole on Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:51 AM

First, try resetting the decoder on your programming track:. (Edit) CV 8 = 8.  Remove power, and reboot.  The address should be back on 3.

If that doesn't solve the problem, it is most likely loose wires.  Wires to the trucks and decoder are held in place by small plastic clips that can work loose and cause loss of electrical contact.  Remove the shell and clips and solder every wire connection, even on the truck side frames.

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Athern Genesis Problem
Posted by tomcat on Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:30 AM

Hi wonderful people

Does anyone have any ideas why my Sante Fe F45,with tsunami sound decoder would be stopping and starting on my layout with very jerky movements? it doesnt completely stop, or start for that matter with the sound dropping in and out

 I thought this may be due to dirty wheels and track but after a good cleaning of both i still have the problem. it has always been a fabulous loco with no problems ever but this last week she seems to be a bit sick.

 Also all other engines are running fine all over my layout so it seems the problem maybe somewhere in the engine itself. cCould this be a loose wire or connection in the loco

FYI i run DCC with NCE in HO.

Desperate for answers please help!!!!

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