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Frustration with new K4 4-6-2 loco shorting my system

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Frustration with new K4 4-6-2 loco shorting my system
Posted by wveeser on Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:20 PM

I recently purchased a  Bachmann DCC K4 4-6-2 and a Tsunami sound decoder to be installed later.

Upon arrival I connected the tender to loco and the steam engine seemed to work fine.  As a next step I separated tender from loco and un-scewed two screws that held top of tender to frame.  Also un-screwed one set of wheels from frame. Then separated the 8 pin decoder connector from its seat.  The tender has a seat for a speaker on the bottom, so I experimented with how my Tsunami speaker and enclosure would work. I am waiting for an 8 pin male to solder my new Tsunami TSU 1000 sound decoder to.  I put the tender back together without top just to make sure everything was working.  I reconnected the tender to loco and tried to test the unit.  It shorted out my Digitrax sebxd.  Isolated tender from loco and the tender is offending unit.  Took out the Decoder to see if that would correct the short.  I am at a loss to understand why the unit is now shorting when it worked earlier.  What could be causing the short? When i turn on power to the track digitrax DB 150 beeps 3 to 4 times then cuts power to the track.  I have another DCC engine that works fine.  Must be something in the tender. I am new at this so don't always know what to look for.  Very frustrating.  thank you for any help

 

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Posted by Jacktal on Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:59 PM

Just a guess here...could the removed set of wheels have been reinstalled wrong?Tenders pick current from one side (usually left track) so the right side wheels are insulated.It seems you may have reversed them upon reinstalling so that the tender bridges the tracks together,thus the short.Just a guess.....

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Posted by dante on Thursday, June 21, 2012 10:27 PM

Jacktal

Just a guess here...could the removed set of wheels have been reinstalled wrong?Tenders pick current from one side (usually left track) so the right side wheels are insulated.It seems you may have reversed them upon reinstalling so that the tender bridges the tracks together,thus the short.Just a guess.....

I believe that is a very good guess.  Had that problem on a BLI Mike out-of-the-box.

Dante

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Posted by bobwrght on Friday, June 22, 2012 5:57 AM

The Bachhmann tenders pick-up current from both sides of the track. On the  K4 the front truck picks up from the LH rail and the rear from the RH rail.

Bob

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, June 22, 2012 6:18 AM

bobwrght

The Bachhmann tenders pick-up current from both sides of the track. On the  K4 the front truck picks up from the LH rail and the rear from the RH rail.

Bob

Even so, if you put one of the trucks on backwards, it will short, unless you also rewire the truck.  If the pickup is through the frame of the truck on one side, then they must be oriented correctly.

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Posted by wveeser on Friday, June 22, 2012 10:07 AM

That solved my problem.  It took me a minute to figure out that on the tender each set of wheels has a insulated and non insulated wheel .  I indeed had placed one wheel set incorrectly, setting up automatic short.

My other problem was to figure out left vs right rail. Left and right rails are based on my looking up the track from rear of the train.  Thanks for the help...  it's so simple when you know what your doing.

wrv

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Posted by richg1998 on Friday, June 22, 2012 10:37 AM

When Bachmann went to DCC thy changed how steamers pickup. Drivers both sides. Tenders, one rail for the front truck, the opposite rail for the rear truck.

Some Bachmann tenders, the truck can swivel all the way without bing removed and this causes a short and confounds the clueless.

Rich

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