Dcc socket question

[ndbprr]

So we now have 8, 9 and 21 pin sockets being factory installed.  Can the sockets only use decoders with alike number of pins?  Will an 8 pin fit a 9 socket? Will either fit in a 21 pin socket or are multiple sockets being installed to allow a choice?

[mfm37]

Any decoder could be adapted to work. All mobile decoders need 4 pins to work. Two in from the rails (Red and black) and two out to the motor Orange and Grey). The rest are for functions and/or sound. Use the ones you want or need. the rest can stay disconnected.

 

[richhotrain]

ndbprr

So we now have 8, 9 and 21 pin sockets being factory installed. Can the sockets only use decoders with alike number of pins?

Not necessarily.

ndbprr

Will an 8 pin fit a 9 socket?

Yes, but you need a harness that converts 9-pin to 8-pin. One or two of the nine wires from the 9-pin side are not connected to the 8-pin side of the harness. So, those wires are hardwired if they are needed.

ndbprr

Will either fit in a 21 pin socket or are multiple sockets being installed to allow a choice?

Converting a 21-pin to an 8-pin also requires a harness. Most of the 21-pin functions still need to be hardwired if needed. 

Rich

[RR_Mel]

I model the early to mid 1950s so the original NMRA 8 pin works fine for me.  None of my locomotives need modern lighting.  I wired all of my locomotives using the 8 pin sockets.  The only exception are a couple of E7 diesels that I ordered Digitrax decoders for that came with the 9 pin JST connector harness.

For me the compatibly of the 8 pin connector works out great.

I made me a DCC tester and the 8 pin connectors workout great.



I mounted a female 8 pin on all of my steam locomotives for connecting the tenders with decoders.

I made a short male pigtail for the tenders.

I can easily check the operation of my locomotives by plugging in my tester to the 8 pin female connector.




Mel
 
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[BigDaddy]

I'm of the old school Mel camp.  But NixTrainz makes a replacement circuit board that will accept 21 pin decoders.  Having never used one, I am not the person to explain them, 

[richhotrain]

As mfm37 pointed out, a DCC decoder needs to do two things: pick up power from the rails and transfer that power to the motor. That requires four wires, two for power pick up and two for the motor. 

A basic decoder is typically a 2-function decoder, meaning that it also provides control over a forward light (headlight) and a reverse light (rear light). That basic lighting requires 3 wires, one for each light and a "common" wire. So, now you need 7 wires, thus the 8-pin connector with one blank position.

To accomodate more lighting features such as a Mars light, numberboards, ditch lights, etc., more advanced decoders provide 4-functions for lighting. A 9-pin connector is used to accomodate the extra 2 wires for those two additional functions.

A 21-pin connector is used for sound decoders and provides additional function capability as well.

Rich