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Weller WM120 Pencil Thin Soldering Iron - MP 131 Tip Issues

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Weller WM120 Pencil Thin Soldering Iron - MP 131 Tip Issues
Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 6:23 AM

Some time ago, I added the Weller WM120 to my collection of soldering irons. It comes equipped with the MP 131 tip which is a conical shaped 0.38 mm tip.

After some extensive use, I had to replace the tip because it essentially disintegrated, getting smaller and smaller with each use. So, I have now ordered another MP 131 tip.

I assume that I am doing something wrong with the way that I use and maintain this tip. So, here are my questions about the way that I use this soldering iron.

1. At the beginning of each use, I spread solder on the heated tip. 

2. During use, I frequently clean the tip with a wet cloth.

3. I keep the soldering iron plugged in for extensive periods of time.

Does any or all of these actions accelerate the wear and tear on the thin tip?

Rich

 

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Posted by wvg_ca on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 6:54 AM

when you say 'extensive', what time frame do you mean ??

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Posted by nycmodel on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 6:56 AM

In my experience, soldering iron tips normally wear down over time. I am always sure to have a couple of spares handy.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 7:18 AM

wvg_ca

when you say 'extensive', what time frame do you mean ?? 

I bought the soldering iron at the beginning of 2018 when I started my new layout. I essentially used it to solder feeder wires to each section of track on a fairly large layout. When I was done with the feeder wires, the tip was pretty worn down, so I replaced it with a new tip at the beginning of 2019. During 2019, I have essentially used the soldering iron to wire resistors to signal wires on approximately 60 signals. I just completed this project, and the tip has worn down, so I just ordered a new tip once again.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 7:21 AM

nycmodel

In my experience, soldering iron tips normally wear down over time. I am always sure to have a couple of spares handy. 

So, this could be considered normal wear and tear?

On my larger soldering irons, I have not had this problem. But, the Weller MP 131 tip is fairly thin and comes to a fine point, so it does appear fragile even when new.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 8:27 AM

I would say that about a year is normal for the small tip if you leave it on several hours per day.
 
I get about 18 months from my tiny tips.
 
 
This tip has about 30 hours on it, I replaced this one about 6 months ago.
 
The Iron is an MPJA 301A.  The iron holder has a sponge (damp) for cleaning the tip.  I keep an open can of Solder Paste next to the iron holder and constantly dip the tip in the rosin paste and a bit of solder to refresh the tip.
 
This particular iron heats quickly so I only turn it on when I need it.  I haven’t timed the turn on to soldering but it’s about 3 minutes to 750°.
 
I’ve been using this iron that way for 12 years and it has done exceptionally well, it came with 10 replacement tips and I still have 6 left after 12 years.
 
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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 8:38 AM

Thanks, Mel, that is helpful information.

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Posted by wvg_ca on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:09 AM

your useage isn't excessive by any means ... i -assumed- leaving it on 12 hours a day, and replacing a tip every month ...

your's is quite a bit less than that, but you should keep a tip or two on hand as spares when you decide to change them out ..

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:23 AM

I should have posted the picture below, it’s a close up of approximately 30 hours on the tip.
 
 
Notice the slight narrowing of the tip between the solder and the iron.  A fresh tip is not narrowed.
 
 
 
 
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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:35 AM

From the horse's mouth, as they say:

https://www.weller-tools.com/how-to-care-for-soldering-iron-tips/

I have heard of accelerated wear* caused by the rapid cooling of the tip when you swipe it across the damp sponge. I have taken to using the brass-wool type more often these days.

     * From the Weller link above

Frequent wiping with a damp sponge causes repeated changes in temperature, causing the tip to expand and contract repeatedly. This cycle causes metal fatigue and eventually the failure of the tip.

 

Another good source:

https://forum.digikey.com/t/how-to-clean-tin-and-maintain-soldering-iron-tip/2006

Good luck, Ed

 

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:14 AM

wvg_ca

your useage isn't excessive by any means ... i -assumed- leaving it on 12 hours a day, and replacing a tip every month ...

your's is quite a bit less than that, but you should keep a tip or two on hand as spares when you decide to change them out .. 

Thanks. Yeah, I wasn't convinced that the soldering iron was plugged in too long and thereby generating excessive heat. But, I decided to ask to get opinions on my method of use.

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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:15 AM

RR_Mel

I should have posted the picture below, it’s a close up of approximately 30 hours on the tip. Notice the slight narrowing of the tip between the solder and the iron.  A fresh tip is not narrowed.

Thanks again, Mel.
 
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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:26 AM

Ed, those two links were most helpful.

On the one hand, it does seems normal for soldering iron tips to deteriorate over time. On the other hand, as I read through the do's and don'ts, I do recognize that I could do a better job in maintaining the tips.

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:29 AM

gmpullman

From the horse's mouth, as they say:

https://www.weller-tools.com/how-to-care-for-soldering-iron-tips/

I have heard of accelerated wear* caused by the rapid cooling of the tip when you swipe it across the damp sponge. I have taken to using the brass-wool type more often these days.

     * From the Weller link above

Frequent wiping with a damp sponge causes repeated changes in temperature, causing the tip to expand and contract repeatedly. This cycle causes metal fatigue and eventually the failure of the tip.

 

Another good source:

https://forum.digikey.com/t/how-to-clean-tin-and-maintain-soldering-iron-tip/2006

Good luck, Ed

 

 

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I agree with the info on the Digi-Key and Weller sites but that has never worked for me.  I’m kinda stuck in the way I solder mainly because after doing it “my way” has worked for over 60 years.  I agree that the damp sponge dings the tip quicker but that has always worked better for me.
 
I don’t have much patience and using the “brass wool cleaners” just doesn’t work for me.  I have one but it slows down my soldering using it, the quick wipe on the damp sponge is much easier as well as quicker.  If it dings the tip quicker that’s the price I’ll pay for my soldering technique.  “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks” and I’m a very old dog.  Been doing it my way for over 60 years and I can’t change now.
 
I do occasionally do the correct cleaning but not while I’m working on a project.  About twice a month I do the brass wool cleaning and retinning the tip.  That gets me about 18 months then I replace the tip.
 
 
 
 
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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:16 AM

 Definitely ditch the sponge and get the brass wool type of cleaner. It's all I have on my soldering station. All I do is poke the tip in it a quick couple of times and it's cleaned off. Poke, poke, no slower than wiping it on a sponge. And when unplugging for the night, put a blob of solder on the tip to coat it.

 The rest is pretty much just how it is for a plain iron that heats perpetually when it is plugged in. My soldering station - I bought that at least 11 years ago now, and it's STILL on the original tip! 

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Posted by RR_Mel on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 11:59 AM

Randy
 
I’ve been doing it “My Way” toooo long to change now.  Just for kicks I found this picture with a Google search on the Weller site.
 
 
Notice the sponge.
 
I don’t disagree with you at all, but I have done it so long using the damp sponge why change now?  My uncle taught me how to solder in 1945 and it’s way too late for me to change.
 
 
 
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Posted by richhotrain on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 12:16 PM

rrinker

 Definitely ditch the sponge and get the brass wool type of cleaner. 

Of the three actions that I mentioned in my initial post, it is the use of a wet sponge or cloth that I wondered about the most. I think that I will ditch it in favor of brass wool.

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Posted by gmpullman on Wednesday, December 18, 2019 4:53 PM

richhotrain
I think that I will ditch it in favor of brass wool.

I have a couple holders like this:

https://tinyurl.com/wjbzrwb

I added a hefty flat washer in the bottom half otherwise it is too light and wanders around the bench. 

Regards, Ed

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Posted by rrinker on Thursday, December 19, 2019 12:48 PM

 Perfect, one of the related items was a 10 pack of replacement wool. After 11 years, mine's getting a bit crudded up, and on the rare times I actually go to the supermarket, I keep forgetting to pick up one (they're sold to clean copper pots - steel wool would just cut right through a copper pot - and the only way to get a proper cup of coffee is with a proper copper coffee pot (someone with kids in their mid-20's might recognize that line)). Of course, a 10 pack of replacements is probably a lifetime supply. The stand that came with my soldering station is quite heavy and stays put - though ironically the feet slide a little easier on my anti-static mat than they do on the actual desktop. They did sell the stand separately at one time, it would hold most smaller pencil irons and it a lot better then those plastic and wire stands, but it is meant for the handpiece of a soldering station, and in addition to the stand and metal wool it also has space for spare tips.

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