I just bought a new power cab controller and ESU Loksound both are my first. At first the only sound was a horn. Then the power cab switched to pro cab and there was nothing. The NCE rep said a short must have occurred from the track. I tried two locos on DC without the decoder and they worked ok. Can someone please help me out?
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I just bought a NCE power cab and after only about an hour of operation everything stopped and the power cab switched to pro cab. The NCE rep said there was a short circuit to the track that caused it. When I get another power cab should I put a circuit breaker between the track bus wire and the power panel? Any help is appreciated.
David,
Did you install the Loksound decoder into your locomotive? Or, did it come pre-installed? Are you plugged into the Power Cab PCP panel and LEFT connector port?
Tom
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Welcome.
Exactly what did you do? A few more details would be nice.
I have the Power Cab. It has never switched to Pro Cab and I have put LokSound decpders into locos and programmed them with no issues.
The only time it becomes a Pro Cab was at the club layout that has the five amp Power Pro.
If a short occured on my layout, the Power Cab just reset itself when I removed the short. No big deal.
Rich
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welcome to the forum. As a newbie your posts are monitored, so don't start any more threads on this same topic. Maybe Tom can merge your other post here.
In any event David said he put a circuit breaker between the track bus and the power panel
There is no such thing as giving us too much information when you have a problem.
What circuit breaker did you install?
Your DC system should not be connected at all when you are trying to run DCC. Unplugged from the wall isn't good enough
Henry
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With the Power Cab set up properly and nothing on the rails, what do you see on the display? The red LED on the panel shoul be lit. That shows voltage going to the rails via the little connector.
There is a known problem with PSX circuit breakers and Power Cabs, if that is what Dave is using.
http://mrdccu.com/curriculum/nce/101.html
The very first screen I see on my Power Cab, says Pro Cab. Then as it boots up it change to Power Cab. I don't know what it says when it shorts....I've got one of those PSX CB's
Ok, that explains a lot. I have not used my Power Cab in six years. Forgot.
I did not think he was using a breaker.
BigDaddy, the link does not work. Did you try it? Below is what I get.
http://mrdccu.com/curriculum/nce/101.htmlhttp://mrdccu.com/curriculum/nce/101.html
I installed the decoder per instructions along with the speaker ( sugar cube). The engine motion was good but the only sound I had was the horn. I program the cab address ok and in less than 15 min the loco went dead. I tried the decoder in another loco and got nothing. The NCE guy said it probably short out from the track. So I’m wondering if I should have had a circuit breaker or fuse between the track bus and power panel. I pushed almost every button on the controller and it wouldn’t leave ”pro cab”. I sent it back to NCE. Hope all that helps. Thanks to everyone
Rich, fixed it, I must stutter when I type
I had the loco in question on the track when I powered up the controller so I didn’t see a red led. Thanks
I currently am not using any circuit breaker. I was wondering if I should have had one in place
I didn’t have a circuit breaker installed and the DC power pack was completely disconnected. Thanks to everyone.
Thanks. I was trying to repair it. I remember seeing it some time ago but you did it first. Time's fun when you are having flies.
I trty to check links myself. I remember HO Seeker would do that when trying to post a loco diagram. Not sure he still does that anymore.
I wonder if the OP will ever return?
The led light was on but went off when the controller had went to pro cab. I sent the controller to NCE. Hopefully they can figure it out
He's in new member "moderated limbo". There are currently six replies from the OP awaiting approval and will probably show up sometime between 4:00 & 5:00 CST...
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DavidarpsI didn’t have a circuit breaker installed and the DC power pack was completely disconnected. Thanks to everyone. The led light was on but went off when the controller had went to pro cab. I sent the controller to NCE. Hopefully they can figure it out I currently am not using any circuit breaker. I was wondering if I should have had one in place
My fault completely, I misunderstood about the circuit breaker. The power cab has circuit protection, but normally it will cycle the power back on. I have not seen anyone have your problem with the Pro cab message.
The question remains, did you get a bad powercab, out of the box, or is there a track wiring problem. Since you sent it back, we will see what they have to say, please let us know.
Was your layout fuctioning normally with DC, before you got the Powercab, or is this a brand new layout? I would think a DC powerpack would also detect a short, if it was a wiring problem.
You don't need a circuit breaker but a short doesn't usually fry the Powercab on the first go. A uncorrected short, like a derailment, when you are upstairs getting an adult beverage, can be bad and melt expensive things. A circuit breaker can prevent the Powercab from trying to reset itself in the face of a uncorrected short.
Shorts don't fall from the sky, either. Certain trackwork, like the Peco 3 way turnout are prone to shorting, derailments cause shorts or the backside of a wheel touching another rail on a DCC unfriendly turnout. Incorrect wiring of feeders can cause shorts too, hence my question, is this a new layout or did you add new feeders prior to the Powercab?
My Power Cab always recovered from a short. Once in a while I would do the quarter test to check sections of the track.
Mine too. I added a circuit breaker, anticipating I would be adding more power districts. That may yet happen. The quarter test trips the CB but nothing happens to the display of the Powercab, it just stops sending signals past the CB.
Rich you remember a couple threads about a Power cab that didn't work. In the first thread, the OP didn't want to send it back and then the next thread was how disappointed he was, having spent more money but not solved his problem over the course of a couple months. David is ahead of the game there.
Hi it’s me again, David. Well for the last few days I’ve been scratching my head over my last decoder dilemma. As I mentioned before I couldn’t get any action out of my new Tsnunami 2 digital sound decoder on my DC layout. (It is wired for DCC). I’m waiting for another power cab. So today I call Soundtraxx and the guy says it won’t run on DC until it’s programmed to DCC first. Who knew!
Never mind, I thought it two threads on the same problem.
Mike.
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DavidarpsSo today I call Soundtraxx and the guy says it won’t run on DC until it’s programmed to DCC first. Who knew!
Not me. Did NCE give you any idea on turn around time for service?
No he didn’t say. They’ve had it since last Thursday or Friday. I hope not too much longer
Davidarps Hi it’s me again, David. Well for the last few days I’ve been scratching my head over my last decoder dilemma. As I mentioned before I couldn’t get any action out of my new Tsnunami 2 digital sound decoder on my DC layout. (It is wired for DCC). I’m waiting for another power cab. So today I call Soundtraxx and the guy says it won’t run on DC until it’s programmed to DCC first. Who knew!
I read that somewhere in SoundTraxx documentation, maybe ten years ago but I was never into running via DC. Never saw any reason to.
Possibly because I have been into electronics for many years and experince with programing different devices.
SoundTraxx aftermarket decoders all come with default value of CV 29 = 2 and always have. This means out of the package it is DCC only. You have to program CV 29, Bit2 = 1 to enable DC or DCC power use.
Ref CV 29 in the SoundTraxx decoder’s Technical Reference Manual
RR Baron
Hey thanks for the good tip