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What is the largest practical capacitor for dead spots in HO

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What is the largest practical capacitor for dead spots in HO
Posted by rrebell on Monday, February 5, 2018 12:41 PM

Just as the title says but for a few more specifics, was thinking a Proto 0-6-0, remember it needs a decoder in there too but lets just asume the smallest decoder for this engine. And how long would it last in discharge mode.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, February 5, 2018 1:48 PM

 As big as fits? Measure the available space and compare specs on factory keep alive units, and if you want, capacitors from electronci suppliers. Supercaps tend to only come in 5V maximum, 2.7V is quite common, so you need multiples to handle DCC voltage. You wire them in series to increase voltage, but that reduces total capacitance. Nice thing about doign it yourself, you can put a few caps over here, a few mor over there as needed. The factory ones you can take apart, but they come all neatly shrink wrapped.

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Monday, February 5, 2018 2:31 PM

Make sure the tender has pickups.  That will help the most.  Not all p2k steam had them in the tender.

After that, I would use CurrentKeeper, or KA-1 attached to your decoder.  How long it stays alive is dependent on how much power your loco is consuming.

But to be honest I'm running Bachmann's 0-6-0T's through turnouts and 660uF is more than enough for me.  (That's 3 25V 220uF capacitors in parallel)  I lay them on their side in the cab roof on right side, and the decoder on the left roof side.  I then paint them both block to help hide them.  I have to ditch the driver and firemen though.

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Posted by wobblinwheel on Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:49 AM

You do realize a steam loco without an engineer and fireman can't run...

Mike C.

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:22 PM

 Sure it can. The real question is how far it can get before it derails, hits something, the fire dies, or it runs out of water and explodes.

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Posted by DigitalGriffin on Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:26 PM

rrinker

 Sure it can. The real question is how far it can get before it derails, hits something, the fire dies, or it runs out of water and explodes.

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Okay that made me laugh

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Posted by rrebell on Tuesday, February 6, 2018 3:52 PM

At least someone has a sense of humor.

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:47 PM

Keep in mind you can get a (non-sound) TCS decoder with the "keep alive" built in. It's only a little larger than one of their standard decoders. It works very well but if the power is cut the engine will only run for about 2-3 seconds. With the separate "keep alive" unit, which has greater capacity, it's quite a bit longer.

Walthers HO Plymouth switcher uses an ESU decoder with it's version of 'keep alive' technology.

https://www.walthers.com/ml-8

 

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, February 6, 2018 5:23 PM

 The new release will use an ESU motor decoder - the already released ones use a Soundtraxx motor decoder with their keep alive.

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Posted by rrebell on Tuesday, February 6, 2018 10:19 PM

All I know is that with todays small decoders, there is a heck of alot of room in the tender on one of these. 

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