Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Downloading/Starting Decoder Pro in New Computer Failure

1879 views
24 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    March, 2011
  • 200 posts
Downloading/Starting Decoder Pro in New Computer Failure
Posted by Tophias on Monday, April 17, 2017 5:05 PM

I have run decoder pro on my present layout computer for 3-4 years now with no problems.  I have a new replacement computer for it.  I downloaded JMRI sucessfully on the replacement.  I opened DecoderPro from the desktop icon and it went into Decoder Pro Wizard (as I expected).  I entered my systerm (digitrax). system connection (pr3), command station (dcs100).  Under serial port I had nothing to choose from nor could I enter anything, so it defaulted to "no ports found".  From there it went to "finish" and said "an error occured while trying to connect to the loconet".  Was the download bad, am i missing something?  Any help would be much appreciated

  • Member since
    January, 2001
  • From: SE Minnesota
  • 6,687 posts
Posted by jrbernier on Monday, April 17, 2017 5:10 PM

  Have you updated Java?  JMRI is a Java app, and it appears. That it is not finding the port.

  The other possibility is that the PR3 was not detected.  I just used the generic Windows driver and it it worked...

Jim

Modeling BNSF  and Milwaukee Road in SW Wisconsin

  • Member since
    March, 2011
  • 200 posts
Posted by Tophias on Monday, April 17, 2017 5:28 PM

Jim, I first updated Java before downloading jmri (It actually was already up to date). As to the driver, I wasn't promoted to select any driver.  Something I missed?

  • Member since
    March, 2011
  • 200 posts
Posted by Tophias on Monday, April 17, 2017 6:01 PM

Jim, I'm getting older quicker than most of us reading this!  Another "Dah!" Moment for me!  I forgot I had to install the pr3 and its driver (using the Digitrax disk that came with it) onto the new computer.  After dinner I'll try that, if I remember

  • Member since
    March, 2011
  • 200 posts
Posted by Tophias on Monday, April 17, 2017 7:06 PM

So I loaded the diver via the disc and followed to the letter the instructions on the Digitrax web site.  Got to the wizard, made my selections including port (3) and all seemed fine until the last "finish " click and I get the "java platform SE binary has stopped working" message.  Any thoughts on where to go from here?

  • Member since
    July, 2006
  • 40 posts
Posted by santafe5000 on Monday, April 17, 2017 7:43 PM

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/744/t/261228.aspx

 

Check out this thread. 

James in TexasCowboy

  • Member since
    March, 2011
  • 200 posts
Posted by Tophias on Monday, April 17, 2017 8:39 PM

So I tried again several times.  Rebooted computer, tried different sequences with USB insertion. Cut to the chase, in the first page of The wizard where you enter devise, system, port there is a user name that defaulted to my name.  I changed that and then it open! Closed it and tried again and again it opened.  Even entered a new engine (I will of course import my whole roster later). So only thing I can think of is my name defaulted from old computer and that in some way prevented the Wizard from finishing?  Or maybe just coincidence.  But it opened twice.  So let's see what happens tomorrow.  thnx for the inputs.

  • Member since
    March, 2011
  • 200 posts
Posted by Tophias on Thursday, April 20, 2017 2:35 PM

Been a few days since my last post and original problem solved but now a new has arisen.  About 6 out of every 7 attempts I try to open DecoderPro (on the new comuter) I get the blasted "Java Platform SE Binary has stopped working" error message.  Any suggessions on how to resolved this?  And to be clear, DecoderPro does open, so the Com Port setting is correct, but on average it takes very many tries.  Very frustrating, and time consuming.  Thnx all.

  • Member since
    August, 2006
  • From: Greendale, WI
  • 97 posts
Posted by Robert Frey on Thursday, April 20, 2017 4:40 PM

 

Tophias

Been a few days since my last post and original problem solved but now a new has arisen.  About 6 out of every 7 attempts I try to open DecoderPro (on the new comuter) I get the blasted "Java Platform SE Binary has stopped working" error message.  Any suggessions on how to resolved this?  And to be clear, DecoderPro does open, so the Com Port setting is correct, but on average it takes very many tries.  Very frustrating, and time consuming.  Thnx all.

 

 "I entered my systerm (digitrax). system connection (pr3), command station (dcs100).  Under serial port I had nothing to choose from nor could I enter anything, so it defaulted to "no ports found".

 

Digitrax now has PR3 Installation Instructions for:   XP, 7, 8, 8.1, and now windows 10.

http://www.digitrax.com/downloads/pr3-installation-instructions/

 

See PR3 for:

Windows 10 Instructions of Sept. 16, 2015 Version: 1.0 (1.8 MB), pdf File of 13 pages.

 

 

Bob Frey

Website: http://bobfrey.auclair.com

  • Member since
    March, 2011
  • 200 posts
Posted by Tophias on Friday, April 21, 2017 9:57 AM

[quote user="Robert Frey"]

 

 
Tophias

Been a few days since my last post and original problem solved but now a new has arisen.  About 6 out of every 7 attempts I try to open DecoderPro (on the new comuter) I get the blasted "Java Platform SE Binary has stopped working" error message.  Any suggessions on how to resolved this?  And to be clear, DecoderPro does open, so the Com Port setting is correct, but on average it takes very many tries.  Very frustrating, and time consuming.  Thnx all.

 

 "I entered my systerm (digitrax). system connection (pr3), command station (dcs100).  Under serial port I had nothing to choose from nor could I enter anything, so it defaulted to "no ports found".

 

 

Digitrax now has PR3 Installation Instructions for:   XP, 7, 8, 8.1, and now windows 10.

http://www.digitrax.com/downloads/pr3-installation-instructions/

 

See PR3 for:

Windows 10 Instructions of Sept. 16, 2015 Version: 1.0 (1.8 MB), pdf File of 13 pages.

 

 

Bob Frey

 

Bob, I have been sucessf loading the PR3, java and jmri.  My problem now is being to get jmri to open on a consistent basis.  It takes several attempts, with different sequences of pulling the USB cable, inserting it, etc.  it all just seems so random as to whether it will open or not. Very frustrating.

  • Member since
    June, 2014
  • From: Southern New Mexico
  • 16 posts
Posted by rettop on Friday, April 21, 2017 11:22 AM

You might try this: http://www.dccguy.com/?p=4519 or contact Larry directly.

Hope this helps.

  • Member since
    February, 2002
  • From: Mpls/St.Paul
  • 9,982 posts
Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:00 PM

I bought a new computer running Winders 10 about two years ago. I never have been able to get Decoder Pro (or the Digitrax program for changing their sound decoders) to work. They download fine from the web or the Digitrax disk, but then it won't work, similar to what the OP discribes.

Stix
  • Member since
    April, 2017
  • 51 posts
Posted by graymatter on Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:51 PM
Just curious, if you reconnect the old computer does it work? If it does what is the differencebwtween the two computers? Same operating system? Same version of the operating system? Same version of Java? I am reaching on this one but' are you using USB computer connections? Are USB2 and USB3 compatible with the software or hardware? Are you running the same antivirus and other such programs on both computers? Something new that I found is Google Chrome and Java don't work with some Java applications. Maybe consider deleting the software and reinstalling it after verifing all the software is up to date......java, windows etc. Hope it helps....Thomas
  • Member since
    March, 2011
  • 200 posts
Posted by Tophias on Sunday, April 30, 2017 12:41 PM

graymatter
Just curious, if you reconnect the old computer does it work? If it does what is the differencebwtween the two computers? Same operating system? Same version of the operating system? Same version of Java? I am reaching on this one but' are you using USB computer connections? Are USB2 and USB3 compatible with the software or hardware? Are you running the same antivirus and other such programs on both computers? Something new that I found is Google Chrome and Java don't work with some Java applications. Maybe consider deleting the software and reinstalling it after verifing all the software is up to date......java, windows etc. Hope it helps....Thomas
 

yes, old computer opens every time.  Old computer Win7, new Win8.1. Old computer older java, new computer latest version. Both computers USB 2.0. Both run Norton from Comcast. Old computer uses older jmri, new computer latest version (the whole reason for changing is the old version of jmri didn't recognize Tsunami2 decoder and due to no additional hard drive space I can't download the latest version of jmri to old computer)

  • Member since
    April, 2017
  • 51 posts
Posted by graymatter on Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:42 AM

Tophais

where are you with running JMRI on the new computer?

Ironically, my computer was hacked by a JAVA expolite with Google Chrome....long story but I will be giving JMRI a try this weekend.

Check out

Mark Gurries NCE page.

https://sites.google.com/site/markgurries/home/decoders/decoder-motor-tuning/digitrax

  • Member since
    March, 2011
  • 200 posts
Posted by Tophias on Thursday, June 01, 2017 9:31 AM

[quote user="graymatter"]

Tophais

where are you with running JMRI on the new computer?

Ironically, my computer was hacked by a JAVA expolite with Google Chrome....long story but I will be giving JMRI a try this weekend.

Check out

Mark Gurries NCE page.

https://sites.google.com/site/markgurries/home/decoders/decoder-motor-tuning/digitrax

 

Mark, I assume it lies on my "c" drive, triggered by a desktop icon.  Would that matter if it does open (after several attempt)?

  • Member since
    December, 2001
  • 1,776 posts
Posted by Stevert on Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:20 PM

Tophias

Been a few days since my last post and original problem solved but now a new has arisen.  About 6 out of every 7 attempts I try to open DecoderPro (on the new comuter) I get the blasted "Java Platform SE Binary has stopped working" error message.  Any suggessions on how to resolved this?  And to be clear, DecoderPro does open, so the Com Port setting is correct, but on average it takes very many tries.  Very frustrating, and time consuming.  Thnx all.

 

 
Make sure you have the 1.0 firmware installed on your PR3.  Firmware and update instructions are found about 2/3 of the way down this page:
 
EDIT:  I should also add that you're much better off asking JMRI questions on, well, the JMRI list.  Nothing against anyone here, but the folks who actually write the JMRI code frequent that list.  You won't get better JMRI help than from them.
  • Member since
    April, 2017
  • 51 posts
Posted by graymatter on Saturday, June 03, 2017 3:41 PM

I am waiting for the book.

"JMRI for dummies"

In large print.

Thomas

  • Member since
    February, 2002
  • From: Reading, PA
  • 22,436 posts
Posted by rrinker on Saturday, June 03, 2017 4:41 PM

 Most of the problems are java, not JMRI. Mainly because Java has garbage for error handling - if JMRI code says to open a com port that isn't there, Java doesn't error - it crashes, with the ever-so-helpful "Java plastform SE binary has stopped working" error. Nothing so obvious as "invalid com port" which at least would point you in the right direction. Try a Windows program written in a different language, deliberately point it to say COM4 when you know it should be COM3. You will get some sort of COM port error message, not a generic crash from whatever language that program is written in. 

 Just my semi-annual "I hate java as a programming language" rant.

                         --Randy

 


Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's

 

Visit my web site at www.readingeastpenn.com for construction updates, DCC Info, and more.

  • Member since
    December, 2001
  • 1,776 posts
Posted by Stevert on Saturday, June 03, 2017 10:36 PM

graymatter

I am waiting for the book.

"JMRI for dummies"

In large print.

Thomas

 

 

Here you go:

http://jmri.org/help/en/webindex.shtml

Use Ctrl+ in your browser to make the print as large as you'd like.

  • Member since
    December, 2001
  • 1,776 posts
Posted by Stevert on Saturday, June 03, 2017 10:54 PM

rrinker

 Most of the problems are java, not JMRI.

I respectfully disagree.

After 14+ years of using JMRI and following the User's list, I firmly believe PEBKAC errors far exceed "Java SE has stopped working" errors.  My 2 Cents

(As an aside:  In the context of JMRI and the "Java SE has stopped working" message, if you search through the JMRI list you'll find that probably 95+ percent of the time the cause for it usually boils down to one or more of three basic things:  You either have the wong COM port assigned, or you don't have the correct drivers for your USB device installed (or you have the right drivers but not properly installed), or if you have a PR3, you're using it on a 64-bit OS without the 1.0 firmware.)

 

  • Member since
    February, 2002
  • From: Reading, PA
  • 22,436 posts
Posted by rrinker on Sunday, June 04, 2017 7:08 PM

 Right - my point exactly. If it said "Invalid COM port" instead of "Java SE stopped working", it would be pretty obvious how to fix it. Java, when told to open a COM port that doesn;t actually exist, just crashes - hard. If it DOES have error trapping, then JMRI should do a better job of catching it. Windows, if asked to open a non-existent port, will return an error that the calling program, be it .NET Framework, a native Windows C program, or Java, can use. In the case of COm ports and JMRI, either Java doesn't respect the Windows error, ir JMRI is not trapping the Java error and displaying a graceful error message.

 I still suspect Java because I can't imagine the whole network of JMRI programmers never thought of that, and for Java to collect the error it would have to have handlers for all supported operating systems, not just Windows. I am reasonably certain that OSX and Linux can equally report an attempt to access a port that doesn't exist without crashing the whole application.

 Yes, I agree, probably 95% of the "stopped working" errors are port related - which is why as soon as someone says they get that error, everyone responds with "you have the wrong com port selected" or some variation. If the message said "Wrong com port, you silly English kniggit" there may be less posting on the subject. Save the "Java SE platform stopped working" error for a really serious crash that you can't possibly handle.

                                   --Randy

 

 


Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's

 

Visit my web site at www.readingeastpenn.com for construction updates, DCC Info, and more.

  • Member since
    March, 2011
  • 200 posts
Posted by Tophias on Sunday, June 04, 2017 9:37 PM

Stevert, in regard to the firmware update you suggest.  I looked that up on the Digitrax website and it looks a bit complicated (I'm not the most proficient computer tech) but I will attempt it. But first, I have two questions.  1) On the Digitrax site it mentions opening "DigiPL".  What is that? 2) As I have mentioned previously, I CAN get JMRI to open, it's just that it takes many attempts or the work around of not inserting the USB cable and then "restarting" the jmri "preferences".  So my question is whether the firmware update will help my situation (that jmri does open but very  erratically ).  As always, to you, Randy and all, much thnx for all the advise. 

  • Member since
    December, 2001
  • 1,776 posts
Posted by Stevert on Monday, June 05, 2017 10:09 AM

Tophias

Stevert, in regard to the firmware update you suggest.  I looked that up on the Digitrax website and it looks a bit complicated (I'm not the most proficient computer tech) but I will attempt it. But first, I have two questions.  1) On the Digitrax site it mentions opening "DigiPL".  What is that? 2) As I have mentioned previously, I CAN get JMRI to open, it's just that it takes many attempts or the work around of not inserting the USB cable and then "restarting" the jmri "preferences".  So my question is whether the firmware update will help my situation (that jmri does open but very  erratically ).  As always, to you, Randy and all, much thnx for all the advise. 

 

Tophias,

If you take your time and follow the instructions *exactly* it really isn't that difficult.  To answer your questions:

1) DigiIPL is a Digitrax-supplied utility program used to upgrade the firmware in various Digitrax devices, including the PR3.  It comes with the updated Soundloader package:  http://www.digitrax.com/downloads/soundloader/

2) It has corrected this issue in many cases where the PR3 is invloved.  I can't gaurantee it will fix it for you, but at the very least we are eliminating one of the possible causes.

  • Member since
    March, 2011
  • 200 posts
Posted by Tophias on Monday, June 05, 2017 4:39 PM

Thanks Stevert, I won't get a chance to get to it for several days but I'll give it a try when I can

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!
Popular on ModelRailroader.com
Model Railroader Newsletter See all
Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox!
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT

Search the Community

Users Online

ADVERTISEMENT
Find us on Facebook