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Bachmann 2-8-4 Bershire - how to switch sound permanently off?

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Bachmann 2-8-4 Bershire - how to switch sound permanently off?
Posted by eufonist on Monday, April 25, 2016 12:26 PM

Hi,

I have the Bachmann 2-8-4 Berkshire N scale with sound. I run DCC. Everytime I turn the power on the sound of the engine is switched on automatically. I then press F8 to switch it off. I only want to have it switched on when I run it. Unfortunatelly next time I turn the power on it makes noises again. How can I reverse this? All of the other trains are silent when the power is turned on and only get loud when I press the corresponding F key.

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Posted by Water Level Route on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 11:00 AM
You can't as far as I know. It's part of Bachmann's "Sound Value" line of stripped down decoders from Soundtraxx. Sound on at power up seems to be the only way to go. I have one of their HO locomotives with this and it is destined to either have the decoder replaced, or the locomotive as a whole will be replaced. It drives me nuts.

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Posted by richg1998 on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 11:22 AM

Water Level Route may be correct but you can also ask at the Bachmann forums. There are many users there along with Bachmann reps. Below is a link to the HO forum.

Bachmann has all kinds of info about Bachmann products at the site also. Loco diagrams, parts page, CV list, repair page, etc.

http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/board/index.php/board,2.0.html

I have a couple with onboard sound and I could just unplug the decoder and plug in a different one. Unsoldering the speaker wires and soldering in the new speakers wires is all I would have to do.

The Sound Value might have a different PC board decoder install compared to my Spectrum with onboard sound.

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Posted by tstage on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 2:54 PM

I had a locomotive that would do that and I was able to change a CV so that the sound would NOT come on at start up.  I think it was on a QSI sound decoder but, unfortunately, I do not recall the CV or the value.  Someone on the Bachmann forum may know of a similar trick for your sound decoder.

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Posted by eufonist on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 3:33 PM

Thanks for your answers. This doesn't sound good but still gives me some hope. I'll ask my question in the Bachmann forum.

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 3:38 PM

Full Tsunamis can be changed by setting some CVs, perhaps this feature is left off the SOund Value version. QSI - you shouldn;t have had to do anything, they won;t start up themselves if you've done the shutdown, that's what always had so many people thinking their loco was broken, they'd put it in shutdown and then next time they tried to run it, it wouldn't even move.

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Posted by tstage on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 4:02 PM

I forget which locomotive it was, Randy.  I know I don't have any Tsunamis.  Perhaps it was my PCM F3 with the Loksound decoder...

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Posted by markie97 on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 9:03 AM

What I did is set the time sound off function. Even though the sound still comes on when I power up, it does not stay on the whole time.

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Posted by eufonist on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:09 AM

How did you do that?

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Posted by gatrhumpy on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 1:35 PM

Cut one of the speaker wires.

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Posted by RR Baron on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 2:00 PM
The N scale Bachmann 2-8-4 Berkshire with sound is factory equipped with a SoundTraxx OEM Bachmann Sound Value decoder.  To date, the Sound Value family of decoders do not support CV 113 Quiet Mode Timeout Period feature that is present in some other SoundTraxx OEM Bachmann decoders.  
Sound Value Function Key 8 default toggles all sounds Active as set/Mute.  As you found out, F8 last setting  is ignored on power up. Program CV 128 Master Volume Control to 0 value to have all sounds off.
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Posted by eufonist on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 3:48 PM

Which decoder could I buy to replace the built-in decoder?

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Posted by peahrens on Thursday, April 28, 2016 1:27 AM

Water Level Route
You can't as far as I know. It's part of Bachmann's "Sound Value" line of stripped down decoders from Soundtraxx. Sound on at power up seems to be the only way to go. I have one of their HO locomotives with this and it is destined to either have the decoder replaced, or the locomotive as a whole will be replaced. It drives me nuts.

Me too!!  My HO Sound Value 2-6-0 was not a value as I will swap the decoder to cure this annoyance.  Maybe upcoming Bachmann locos will be different.

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Posted by Water Level Route on Thursday, April 28, 2016 5:56 AM

peahrens
HO Sound Value 2-6-0

Ha!  Is the exact one that drives me crazy too!  I want sound when I run it, but having if fire up as soon as I turn on power is annoying as all get out.  I had to pull it from the layout the other day as I was working on several locomotives on my programming track, then testing adjustments on the main line.  After a few cycles of main line power with that engine hissing away automatically each time, it found a nice safe spot off the layout for it.

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Posted by RR Baron on Friday, April 29, 2016 4:45 PM

eufonist

Which decoder could I buy to replace the built-in decoder?

 

Stefan,
If you are seriously considering replacing the Sound Value decoder in the Bachmann 2-8-4 Berkshire N scale.  I suggest you live with using F8 Mute until you can evaluate the next offerings of decoders when revealed by the various decoder manufacturers this year.   

 

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Posted by ndbprr on Saturday, April 30, 2016 8:31 PM
You could always hit it with a hammer or throw it against a wall! Just kidding.
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Posted by CPPedler on Sunday, May 1, 2016 4:00 AM

Make a note of the CV setting of the Master Volume then set it to Zero. then when you want sound just reset it to the previous setting.

I think that CV 128 is the master volume, set that to 0 for start up then reset for sound

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Posted by josephbw on Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:34 AM

All you need to do is dedicate a track to park the loco on. Then cut a gap in one of the rails, and wire a switch between the power and that rail. Then park the loco, and flip the switch off. 

Leave the track unpowered when you start up the layout, and when you get ready to run the engine, flip the switch on, problem solved. Smile

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Posted by markie97 on Sunday, May 1, 2016 11:46 AM

eufonist

How did you do that?

 

I checked the manual online for a Bachmann 2-10-2 (there is no 2-8-4 manual online). Try CV113. I usually use a setting of ~50. If set to 0 there is no timeout period.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, May 4, 2016 4:34 PM

Another option might be to set all the background sound CV's - like blowdown, steam hiss, generator whine, etc. - down to zero. Leave it so the only sounds not zero are chuff, whistle and bell. At least then when you power up the track, it won't make any noise until it moves or you activate the bell or whistle.

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Posted by eufonist on Saturday, May 7, 2016 10:57 AM

Setting CV 113 doesn't change anything. As mentioned above by some other guys this CV is not available in this decoder. I tried it anyway but it doesn't work.

 

But Stix's idea is very good. I tried the different volume CVs. At least I set CV 132 Airpump to zero. That really makes a big difference!! What's left is a constant white noise. I only could reduce it by reducing the main volume. I didn't find a CV for that. Any ideas?

All of the other CVs remained as they were. So I have a chuffing sound while driving and I can ring the bell etc...

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, May 10, 2016 9:11 AM

Ya it does look CV132 - Air pump is the only 'background' sound that has it's own volume control. I guess you could set the CVs for the whistle, chuff and bell (CV 129-130-131) to their maximum, and then turn down the master volume CV128. That way at least the background sounds would be as low as possible.

http://www.soundtraxx.com/factory/OEM_pages/bachmann/bachmann_ho_284berkshire_sv.pdf

p.s. The tracks in / near my enginehouse (and the roundhouse stall tracks on my old layout) are in a separate power block with an on-off switch. I turn that block's power off when I turn the layout off so if I start up the layout next time to work on something I don't have to worry about the engines on those tracks making noise.

 

 

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Posted by eufonist on Saturday, May 14, 2016 10:59 AM

I set the CVs as Stix suggested. That works but this decoder really is not good. It's not only that I can't set the volume for the white noise (whatever it is) but I can't set the volume for the horn neither. So now after adjusting the CVs the air pump is off, the white noise low and the chuffing and bell are loud. But the horns are low, too. Since there's no CV for the horns I can't change that.

I leave it that way. It's the best I can get without replacing the decoder. I still can do that later.

Thanx, Stefan

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, May 16, 2016 2:42 PM

CV 129 controls the whistle volume. 225 is the default, so you can set it a little higher (to 255).

CV 115 selects the whistle type. Each 2-8-4 has three choices, depending on the road name. CV 115 default is 0, try 1 and 2. Sometimes one whistle type is louder than another; at least I find the higher pitched more "shrill" ones sometimes sound louder than the lower pitched "steamboat" whistles that kinda blend in with the chuff sound.

http://www.soundtraxx.com/factory/OEM_pages/bachmann/bachmann_n_284berkshire_sv.pdf

If the 'white noise' is kind of a hissing noise, it could be a background sound, or it could mean there's a problem with the decoder. I have an HO 2-10-0 with the 'sound value' decoder, and it doesn't have anything like that. Could indicate a short or failure in the decoder or speaker.... 

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Posted by eufonist on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 3:58 AM

I already set the volumes CV 129-131 to the maximum. I'll try the different whistle sounds.

The white noise is not a hissing and it's definitely the engine making that noise. It's a constant sound like a heater when the gas or hot air floats through the pipes. That makes sense here but I'ld prefer to turn that off, too. Unfortunately I can't do that but having it low is not bad because it blends into the many other noises on the layout. And as soon as one train is running you don't here it anyway.

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, May 17, 2016 8:34 AM

If it's more of a whine than a hiss, it could be the generator sound. If it is, it will be off when the headlights are off.

 

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Posted by eufonist on Wednesday, May 18, 2016 2:06 AM

The sound is still there even with the headlights off. But I tested the different whistles. While CV 115=0 is the steamboat I didn't like 115=1 but 2. 2 is actually louder than 0 so I set that and now I'm quite satisfied.

Stefan

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