I've got 2 of these trains, and I've added DCC to both. They have run flawlessly for 8 years or so. A few weeks ago, one of them stopped working. It seemed to intermittently cause a short, which slowly went to a hard short. I put it on the program track and could not get the decoder to respond. Looking at the decoder, there was a burn through the wrapping.
I replaced the decoder (a cheap old Digitrax DH 123) with a DH 126. I put it on the programming track and was able to program it and read back CVs. It ran fine, so I replaced the shell. When I put it back on the track, it worked for a while, and then the behavior went right back to where it was.
It now looks like the motor has a problem. I've got the car apart and I can run it on a 9-volt battery, but if I stop and start it multiple times, it will reach a point where it won't restart without spinnning the flywheel by hand. It seems like there's a dead spot, and from the failure of the decoder it looks like the motor is shorted at that point.
When the motor runs, it seems fine, and there's nothing obvious like a bent driveshaft of off-center flywheel. I get the same problems with and without the trucks connected.
Does anyone recognize the symtoms? Is there anything that can be done to fix it? Alternately, any ideas where I could get another one of these motors?
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Sounds just like what I went through with a couple of older Stewart F units I had with Büler motors.
I tried cleaning the brushes and commutator but that didn't help.
I don't have a L-L subway car but I bet I know who does...
Roar.
Maybe he will chime in.
Good Luck, Ed
Sounds like a burned winding - or maybe there is too much gunk (worn brush material, which is conductive) built up in the slots of the commutator.
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LION uses many of these cars,a dn some of the newest ones were really bad. I am in the middle of replacing all of the motors with NWSL 2032D-9 which fits right in and gives 1000% better performance. Even a brand new unit was replaced already.
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BroadwayLionI am in the middle of replacing all of the motors with NWSL 2032D-9 which fits right in
Do I need to order any additional stuff like couplings, or is it a 1-for-1 replacement? Thanks.
For the motor it is a 1 to 1 swap out. The couplings are intergal to the fly wheels. You will be removing the fly wheels to put them onto the new motor, and so will use the same linkage. I did use a gear puller to pul the flywheels, I fabricated a washer so the the puller (way too big) could get behind the fly wheel. (I cut a slot in a fender washer.) But on the last one I did, I found I could pull the flywheels off manually. I used a vice to apply pressure to place the flywheels on a new motor. I but washers between the flywheels and the vice jaws since some of the delicate plastic extends beyond the edge of the flywheel.
One flywheel will be in the correct place before the other. Yse a nut or something to stop the movement of that wheel while applying pressure to the other.
LION has long since ditched the grey plastic insert, it may need some modification if you cannot seat it back exactly as it was.
1) Open Car
2) Remove green circuit board
3) Remove covers to trucks and remove the worm and linkage
4) unscrew and remove the gray part
5) Pull the motor straight up, it is only rubber things that hold it in place.
6) note the orientation of the morot and the flywheels
7) There is a red dot on the new motor casing next to the positive terminal, the negative terminal is not marked. Negative on the left, positive on the right train goes forward.
rrinker Sounds like a burned winding - or maybe there is too much gunk (worn brush material, which is conductive) built up in the slots of the commutator. --Randy
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BroadwayLionI am in the middle of replacing all of the motors with NWSL 2032D-9
NWSL 1.75 Stall amps
1.75 Stall amps
YIPES I hope that is a typo!
DigitalGriffin BroadwayLion I am in the middle of replacing all of the motors with NWSL 2032D-9 From the page NWSL 1.75 Stall amps YIPES I hope that is a typo!
BroadwayLion I am in the middle of replacing all of the motors with NWSL 2032D-9
From the page
Is good thing that Regulated power supply of LION kicks out 12 AMPS!
Of course, the object is not to stall the locomotives (or subway cars)
Decisions, decisions. I could get the NWSL motor. Walthers actually does carry the replacement motor, including all the linkage and stuff, for about the same price.
I took the easier course of action and ordered 2 more motor units from Walthers.