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Programming A LokSound Select Decoder

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Programming A LokSound Select Decoder
Posted by wholeman on Saturday, January 16, 2016 12:28 PM

Hello All,

I have recently purchased and successfully installed a LokSound Select decoder in a HO Kato P42.  This decoder has the correct P42 sound and has 6 AUX functioins.

I got installed and programmed the address.  The sound is amazing and the motor control is great right out of the box, but could use some tweaking. 

The problem is the functions and the lighting CVs.  I am just confused about it all.  I have used Tsunamis in the past with DecoderPro with good results.

Here is what I would like to accomplish:

1.  I have the 2 ditch lights wired in AUX 1 and 2.  I would like them to flash when the bell is sounded.

2.  I would like to remap the radiator fan function, the spitter valve, and the air compressor to be the same function as the prime mover, Function 8.

I am using an NCE PowerCab so I would like to merge functions if possible as I only have 12 function buttons.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

Will

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:25 PM

 The automatic things like air compressor and spitter are already on F8, if F8 is off, there should be no sounds, F8 on starts up the prime mover and turns on all the sounds. You can;t put other manually triggered sounds on F8 along with the startup/shutdown or the whole decoder will simply shut off and come back on. I mean, you CAN map other stuff to F8, but it won;t have the desired effect - past of the confusion is that you can map absolutely anything, any combo of sounds and lighting outputs to any F key, so there are tons of choices. If you have the latest production release of JMRI, you can use JMRI for this, it just takes a long time to read and write all those CVs - minutes, if not longer. Rather than read all sheets/write all sheets, it is probably better to change one thing at a time and only write the required CVs.

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Posted by Mark R. on Saturday, January 16, 2016 1:57 PM

Setting the following CVs will configure Aux1 and Aux2 for your left and right ditch lights, and be turned on using F6. This also configures the ditch lights to flash aternately when the bell is used ....

CV31 = 16, CV32 = 0

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CV275 =   9

CV279 = 130

CV283 =   9

CV287 = 131

 

CV31 = 16, CV32 = 2

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CV300 = 128

CV316 =   0

CV378 =  12

CV506 =  16

 

CV31 = 16, CV32 = 3

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CV266 =  32

Be sure to set CVs 31 and 32 first before setting the CVs after each. In other words, just set everything in the order I posted .

Mark.

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Posted by peahrens on Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:39 PM

I have been using Selects and also have an NCE (5A PowerHouse Pro), and JMRI Decoder Pro, but no LokProgrammer (yet).  I use the NCE when I first install the decoder, to read CV8 (Mfg ID) on the program track to make sure things are working.  Then I use the NCE in Ops mode to see if it moves using address 3, and change the address and see if the lights function.  After that, I go to Decoder Pro to set up a roster file, turn off DC analog mode, and read the basic motor settings (e.g., CV2).  I then go to the NCE and use Ops mode programming (keeping notes) to adjust the speed to match a mate for consisting (adjusting CV5 top speed, CV6 mid speed), and adjust lighting (mode, LED birghtness, etc), etc settings.  I don't find the Decoder Pro consistent in reading settings (or fast enough) and don't trust that the files in DP are up to date.  So it's easier for me, short of getting the LokProgrammer (which I intend), to use a mix and match approach.  I presume you are using the manual, which explains the indexed CVs.   

I'm quite enthusiastic about the Selects, nice motor control, good sound files.  I forget the details, but I inquired on the Loksound forum about some details on programming and I recall that there can be issues trying to read some CVs, I think, with Decoder Pro.  My bottom line conclusion, for my setup, is I should acquire the LokProgrammer (a no brainer since I want to change some sound files) plus add a program track booster because of some probable read problems (either with the NCE or with Decoder Pro).  If you want me to find that thread, I will.  

Paul

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, January 16, 2016 5:59 PM

 Take a peek at the V4.0 manual and the middle several pages of charts of CV values for mapping functions - Select supports that too. Then remember that most if not all of those are indexed CVs which require another CV set first. It's literally thousands of CVs. The NMRA CV reading method, even a true direct bit which menas only 8 reads per CV, vs a potential of 255 for the old way of comparing the whole byte, it s LOT of reads. It takes a long time, even with one of the fastest CV programmers, the SPROG. There is, however, an ESU proprietary protocol also in these decoders, used for loading the sound files - can you imagine how long it would take to load sound files at such a crazy low speeds. That proprietary protocol is also used to read and set CVs with the Lokprogrammer, so all that modification can be done in no time with Lokprogrammer. An expensive proposition for one or two decoders, but I have decided to standardize on Loksound so I will have many of them and the Lokprogrammer was worth the purchase.

                       --Randy

 


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