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MRC Freedom one
Posted by Antoine L. on Friday, August 29, 2014 10:13 AM

Hi all, 

Now now, I'm on DC and have a nice Atlas GP40-2 silver series with a 8 pin plug, and now I see the back cover of MR oct2014  and I see the MRC freedom one. Having no money to invest on full DCC system, I am falling right in the targeted market by MRC. 

Here is the link: http://www.modelrec.com/search/product-view.asp?ID=13204

Has anyone tested this? Any reviews? Comments? Feelings?

What do you think? I won't buy before a few reviews come out, but it's quite new, so no reviews around. 

Thanks!

Antoine

 

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Posted by JoeinPA on Friday, August 29, 2014 11:35 AM

I agree with David. Rather than spending your money on a quick fix save some more and get a real system. For example, MB Klein is currently listing the Zephyr system for $169. I'm sure that you will be happy if you wait a little.

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Posted by richg1998 on Friday, August 29, 2014 12:15 PM

You can get a NCE Power cab for about $150 from Amazon.com with free shipping if you have Prime. To my knowledge, since it is over $35. free shipping even if you do not have Prime.

 Might be better prices if you Google it. Just check shipping charges.

Doing some research can help a lot. Your PC is just as powerful as mine.

 I have the Power cab and can run at least three HO sound locos. Never tried anymore than three.

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Posted by Antoine L. on Friday, August 29, 2014 12:36 PM

Yes you are all right..... but!

What becomes of my other DC locomotives if I buy DCC? I have to put a decoder in all of them or else they will not work.

Now this little system (freedom one) works with a DC powerpack on which you turn the throttle at maximum (to power the track like DCC I suppose). Therefore, since I have block sections, I could turn off power on this one and put back throttle at 0 to use my other DC locomotives normally (which are stationed on other blocks. 

Don't you think it's good for that? Like I would only have one DCC loco on a DC layout with 6 DC locos. It's a nice inbetween, no?

Oh and once I officially switch to DCC it can still be used on a DCC layout independantly. I truely am tempted. 

 

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, August 29, 2014 1:10 PM

 More concerned with what becomes of the Freedom One receiver after you switch to DCC - sure you can run it with the remote control still, but then you have all your other locos oeprated like normal DCC locos and this one that uses a little handheld remote control.

This is in essecne MRC's answer to the Tam Valley DRS, NWSL Stanton system, or the Ring RailPro. (and others)

The question you need to ask is, how is MR offering this for significantly less than any of the alternatives? What are they leaving out (besides obviously expansion, the MRC is limited to 3 locos, none of the others are)?

Compare wisely. $75 can put decoders in all 6 of your existing locos.

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Posted by snjroy on Friday, August 29, 2014 3:33 PM

If you are worried about your other locos if you switch to DCC, just put a switch that will allow you to switch your layout from DC to DCC. You can then gradually convert your locos and enjoy both worlds (for a while...). Don't just do one section in DCC, unless it is completely isolated.

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Posted by Antoine L. on Friday, August 29, 2014 3:36 PM

rrinker

This is in essecne MRC's answer to the Tam Valley DRS, NWSL Stanton system, or the Ring RailPro. (and others)

 

Humm, that part of your answer got my interest and I went looking for Ring RailPro. Would you recommend it? It looks simple.

Thank you 

 

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Posted by cacole on Friday, August 29, 2014 9:05 PM

A RailPro controller and one receiver/decoder costs almost as much as a beginner DCC system such as the NCE PowerCab or Digitrax Zephyr.

You're restricted at the present time to only one source of a receiver/decoder, whereas with DCC you have many different choices available.

I have a steam locomotive equipped with RailPro that I run on an NCE DCC-equipped layout using the layout's DCC power.  The advantage here is that I have totally separate control over my locomotive irrespective of how many other trains may be running, and there's no chance of someone entering a wrong decoder address into a DCC controller and inadvertently taking control of my locomotive.

A RailPro receiver is larger than a straight DCC decoder due to the addition of the radio receiver circuitry, so finding a diesel locomotive that can have RailPro fitted without having to mill out the frame is something that has to be taken into consideration.  RailPro shows a diesel locomotive equipped with their receiver on their web page, but they could not tell me the brand name of the model, since they did not perform the installation.  RailPro suggested that I address my question to the people at Yankee Dabbler, who did not answer. 

My experience has not been all peaches and cream with the RailPro hand held controller's battery life -- it contains a rechargeable battery that has relatively limited run time on a charge, and it takes a significant amount of time to recharge.  It also discharges even when not used for an extended period of time.

I'm sure these shortcomings will be solved as the technology evolves, just as it has with DCC itself.

 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, August 30, 2014 4:13 AM

If you don't want to fully convert to DCC the MRC Tech 6 will give you the best of both worlds by a simple push of a button.

When I use one of my DCC/Sound engines I push the button to DCC mode and when I want to run a DC engine a simple push of the button returns the Tech 6 to DC mode.

The only thing is you can run only 1 DCC engine unless you invest in the Tech 6 throttle then you can run six different engines like normal DCC..

My "poor man" DCC system cost me around $130.00 for the T6 and its walk around throttle.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Saturday, August 30, 2014 7:50 AM

I'm with Randy on this.  When I first bought my DCC system, I had the same plans as many.  I would put a big toggle switch between my layout and the two power systems so that I could run DCC when I wanted to run my decoder-equipped engines and DC when I wanted to run those.

I installed a simple decoder, connected up my Lenz system to the track, and ran that one subway car back and forth over about an 8-foot line for hours.  I took my DC power pack and put it under the layout.  It has never been connected to the track again.

Yes, DCC is really that seductive.  And once I started putting sound in my engines, I didn't run my non-sound engines much, either.

It takes an iron man to play with a toy iron horse. 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, August 30, 2014 8:41 AM

MisterBeasley
Yes, DCC is really that seductive. And once I started putting sound in my engines, I didn't run my non-sound engines much, either.

Indeed..

I use my Tech 6 in DCC mode more then DC..I even added plug and play decoders to my Favorite Athearn SW1500 and CF7.More decoder installs to follow in three of my favorite Athearn RTR DCC ready engines.

Even on my 1' x 10' ISL the slow speed step switching with momentum really improves operation.

What was that I once said about a one horse switching layout doen't needed DCC?

Foolish me..

Larry

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:10 AM

 I've always said, the small switching layouts need DCC more than a big giant hanger size layout. Just makes for so much more operational flexibility.

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Posted by CSX Robert on Monday, September 1, 2014 11:35 AM

rrinker

 More concerned with what becomes of the Freedom One receiver after you switch to DCC - sure you can run it with the remote control still, but then you have all your other locos oeprated like normal DCC locos and this one that uses a little handheld remote control.

This is in essecne MRC's answer to the Tam Valley DRS, NWSL Stanton system, or the Ring RailPro. (and others)...

 

Actually, the Freedom One will also operate as a DCC decoder.

Antoine L.

...

Has anyone tested this? Any reviews? Comments? Feelings?

What do you think? I won't buy before a few reviews come out, but it's quite new, so no reviews around. ..

While this is a new item, there is no new technology here.  It doesn't look much different than the 1825 decoder they used to offer that also came with a remote for DC operatin, except this comes as one of three different frequencies to allow three locos to be operated at the same time.

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Posted by csxns on Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:28 PM

Will that Freedom one run a no sound DC only locomotive without a decoder ?

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Posted by richg1998 on Tuesday, September 2, 2014 4:01 PM

csxns

Will that Freedom one run a no sound DC only locomotive without a decoder ?

 

Yes it will. Google freedom one dc loco. You will see a PDF describing this device.'

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Posted by csxns on Tuesday, September 2, 2014 4:56 PM

Thanks Rich.

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:04 PM

 Wait, no it doesn;t, not at the same time anyway (unless by "run" a DC loco you mean have it looping the layout at full throttle). To run the loco with the Freedom One 'decoder' in it, you need to turn the DC pack up to full speed. Speed of the decodered loco is controlled by the Freedom One remote control. The Freedom One remote control only controls the decoder that is on the same RF channel as the remote pendant. COntrol of any other DC locos is left to the throttle knob on your existing power pack, but the Freedom One decoder won;t run below a certain setting, so the two cannot coexist on the same stretch of track. You CAN get a second Freedome One remote and decoder on one of the other frequencies and run 2 Freedom One locos on the same track under independent control.

 With DCC - you can mix any number of DCC locos plus the Freedom One equipped loco all at the same time. Though what happens when you select the DCC address of the Freedom One decoder AND try to run it from the remote control at the same time I don't know.

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Posted by csxns on Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:14 PM

rrinker
throttle knob

Now if MRC will come out with a power pack that you can control the throttle knob from something like the Freedom One without a Decoder in the locomotives that is what i will like.

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:36 PM

 You mean like what Aristo has been making for some 10 years or more now? Their system is NOT just on-board throttles for large scale, it also is a stationary throttle with an rf wireless remote control.

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Posted by csxns on Tuesday, September 2, 2014 6:58 PM

rrinker
Aristo

Yes but i rather have something from MRC instead Aristo.

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, September 2, 2014 7:34 PM

 haha but WHY? Aristo has been making the Train Engineer for YEARS, pretty much big free now. vs MRC coming up with something new? Think I'd prefer to stick with tried and true. MRC made great DC packs, but the more complicated they got with electronics, the lower the quality became.

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Posted by csxns on Wednesday, September 3, 2014 4:09 PM

rrinker
haha but WHY

The LHS i go to will not order me one we went around and around about the Crest wireless he says i still have to have something like a decoder in the locomotive and i will not order something like this if i can not see it first.

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:56 PM

 Find a LHS that knows what they are talking about. There are two ways to use the Crest system, one indeed has a receiver unit in the loco, but the other has the receiver under the layout, connected to the rails just like any DC power pack with the RF remote control controlling speed and direction.

 Haven't seen Sheldon around in a while, he uses this system in HO. No mods to any locos (although clippign the capacitors on Bachmann locos makes them run smoother). In fact, if he finds a loco he wants that comes with DCC already installed, he removes the decoder. He'd be the one to ask about the various forms of the Crest system, I've been DCC for almost 12 years and there's not a chance I will ever switch back.

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Posted by csxns on Wednesday, September 3, 2014 7:08 PM

Randy thanks.

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Posted by joe323 on Thursday, September 4, 2014 7:24 AM

I thought Aristo Craft went out of business? 

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Posted by cacole on Thursday, September 4, 2014 8:40 AM

joe323

I thought Aristo Craft went out of business? 

 
Polk's Hobby Shop and their AristoCraft product line closed up because the owners wanted to retire, but Crest Electronics has always been a separate company that is still in business.
 
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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:15 PM

OK, lets get a few things straight.

The original Crest Train Engineer I use is no longer in production.

Crest has always been a tradename of Aristo Craft, not a seperate company - but, it is now a seperate cmpany, seperated from Aristo right before they closed.

Their current product can be seen here:

http://shop.crest-electronics.net/

The new Revolution can be used trackside just like the older version I use.

OR, they are supposed to be developing HO size receivers for the Revolution - I have not kept up on the the progress of that.

But, as I said many times before, I suspect a day will come when direct radio will challenge DCC.

In the mean time, I'm happy with radio thorttles and advanced cab control, with intergrated signals and turnout control.

I have now used my quarterly alotment of time for posting on this forum,

Sheldon 

 

    

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Posted by rrebell on Monday, November 3, 2014 12:30 PM

csxns
 
rrinker
throttle knob

 

Now if MRC will come out with a power pack that you can control the throttle knob from something like the Freedom One without a Decoder in the locomotives that is what i will like.

 

 

Thats what the Train Engineer was.

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Posted by rrebell on Monday, November 3, 2014 12:33 PM

Now to add fuel for the fire, I have been investing in Crests old system that is plug and play in any DCC ready loco, reason I am getting ready to go dead rail. Wonder if MRC's is easy to convert also, if so it is much cheaper.

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Posted by joecomet on Sunday, January 3, 2016 12:50 PM

Will my sound engs. run with some sound on the old Crest hand held and reciever wired to track???

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