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110 volt 60hz
Posted by essex old man on Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:40 AM

Can any one tell me if there are problems with the legacy control systems if used in the UK with a Transformer, We have 240 volts 50 hz and although transformers are relativly cheap the only convert the voltage and not the frequency.

Any advice would be appreciated

Many thanks

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Posted by cacole on Friday, June 27, 2014 8:55 AM

Usually, control systems operate on DC voltage because they have internal rectifiers and regulators, so they should be okay to use on 50 Hz power through a 240 to 110 step-down transformer.  

U.S. television sets won't work in the UK because of the difference between the U.S. NTSC and European PAL video standards, and U.S. appliances with induction motors such as refrigerators or air conditioners cannot be used on 50 Hz current, but most consumer electronics such as laptop computers, radios, CD and DVD players, etc. will be okay.

I spent 6 years in Germany on two separate military assignments, where the standard electrical power is 240 Volts and 50 Hz, and the only thing that would not work okay was an appliance with a compressor.  The U.S. military warned people being transferred to Europe to not take such appliances.

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, June 27, 2014 8:59 AM

Welcome aboard Welcome and nice avatar!

What do you mean by "legacy control systems?"  Is there one in particular?

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Posted by richg1998 on Friday, June 27, 2014 9:10 AM

The frequency is not an issue. People have been doing that for many years.

Rich

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Posted by mlehman on Friday, June 27, 2014 9:25 AM

cacole is correct. And it's a good question, even if people have been doing it for years. Until YOU have to do it, it's a bit of arcane knowledge few are likely to have encountered. Was an AF brat myself, spent 4 years in Germany.

I'd only add that any old school 60hz clock mechanism won't work properly either on 50hz. Or any circuit that depends on line frequency for timing or control purposes. That still leaves a lot of stuff that works, once it's been run through a transformer to drop it to 110volts.

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Posted by essex old man on Friday, June 27, 2014 12:00 PM

HI

Thanks for the reply thanks for the comment about my avatar, I am a member of Knights templar (5 years) and a freemason for about 27 years.

I was looking at the lionel 990 or is it 099?

I love the crew talk sounds as shown on erics trains on youtube I know other manufactures have this as a feature but the lionell looks the easiest to program

MisterBeasley

Welcome aboard Welcome and nice avatar!

What do you mean by "legacy control systems?"  Is there one in particular?

 

MisterBeasley

Welcome aboard Welcome and nice avatar!

What do you mean by "legacy control systems?"  Is there one in particular?

 

MisterBeasley

Welcome aboard Welcome and nice avatar!

What do you mean by "legacy control systems?"  Is there one in particular?

 

MisterBeasley

Welcome aboard Welcome and nice avatar!

What do you mean by "legacy control systems?"  Is there one in particular?

 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Friday, June 27, 2014 12:18 PM

Most of the Lionel and O-scale modelers hang out on the Classic Trains forum.  You're always welcome here, of course, but for a more knowledgable discussion in O that's probably a better place to start.

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Posted by Software Tools on Friday, June 27, 2014 5:20 PM

essex old man
Can any one tell me if there are problems with the legacy control systems if used in the UK with a Transformer

It will depend to some extent which specific "legacy control system" you are looking at.  The lower end of the range of model railway power units were often fairly cheaply made and the 110V to ~15V AC step down transformers inside them may not take kindly to 50Hz mains frequency, particularly in that they may get a bit hotter than the temperature were designed to safely run at.

With higher end "legacy" model railway power units you shouldn't expect any issues.

Cheers,

Bill

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