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Speed Matching using smpr

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Speed Matching using smpr
Posted by Robert Frey on Wednesday, January 5, 2011 11:17 PM

Speed matching

If you want to run your DCC locomotives together in a consist, you need to be sure they will go the same speed at the same Digital Command Control speed step.  Speed matching involves programming your locomotives so they can run together smoothly. But before you adjust your decoder CV numbers, you need to be able to accurately measure the locomotives’ Mph speed and also know the CV Decimal numbers that will produced these results at Start, Mid. and Max.

Speed Traps

60 Mph is 88Ft per second.  In 6 seconds you would travel 528 Ft.  A Speed Trap could be set with start and stop sensors at 528 Ft. If the measured time from the sensors is less than 6 seconds, then you are speeding.  The measured time in seconds becomes the record of your actual speed in Mph.   Then in N scale this is 528/160 = 3.3 Ft in 6 Seconds, and in HO scale 528/87 = 6 Ft in 6 seconds.

Fixed distances and a stopwatch  

Speed Traps       N Scale           HO Scale      smph = (6.0 sec. / Time, sec.) x Speed Trap Mph

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  120 Mph       6.6 Ft. in 6 Sec.     12 Ft. in 6 Sec.     smph = (6.0 sec. / 4.8 Sec.) x 120 Mph = 150 Mph

   60 Mph         3.3 Ft. in 6 Sec.       6 Ft. in 6 Sec.      smph = (6.0 sec. / 5.3 Sec.) x 60 Mph =  68 Mph

   30 Mph         19.8” in 6 Sec.      36.4” in 6 Sec.        smph = (6.0 sec . / 6.4 Sec.) x 30 Mph = 28 Mph

     6 Mph         2.0” in 6 Sec.      3-5/8” in 6 Sec.      smph = (6.0 sec. / 7.2 Sec.) x  6 Mph =    5 Mph

     3 Mph         1.0” in 6 Sec.      1-7/8” in 6 Sec.       smph = (6.0 sec. / 4.5 Sec.) x  3 Mph =    4 Mph

                                    Scale RAILS  Aug. 2008  pages 26 - 29

 Circle of track and a stopwatch

By using Atlas 11 radius snap track, anyone (who wanted to) could build their own speed matching track,  Using Atlas 11” radius snap track, it is a fixed, consistent diameter loop of track for testing.

11 inch radius circle of track = 69.12 inches (2Rx3.14)

Completing this circle of track in 9 seconds is 70 Mph for N scale.

Speed Traps       N Scale               Distance      smph = (9.0 sec. / Time, sec.) x Speed Trap Mph

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140 Mph          139.12” in 9 Sec.            2 Circles      smph = (9.0 Sec. / 8.4 Sec.) x 140 Mph =  150 Mph

 70 Mph           69.12” in 9 Sec.             1 Circle         smph = (9.0 Sec  / 9.3 Sec.) x  70 Mph =    68 Mph

 35 Mph           34.56” in 9 Sec.           1/2 Circle        smph = (9.0 Sec. / 11.3 Sec.) x  35 Mph =    28 Mph

17.5 Mph         15.78” in 9 Sec.           1/4 Circle        smph = (9.0 Sec. / 5.6 Sec.) x  35 Mph =    28 Mph

  3 Mph            1.5” in 9 Sec.       Lg.= 1-½ inches     smph = (9.0 Sec. / 6.8 Sec.) x  3 Mph  =     4 Mph

http://capitolcityntrak.org/speed_matching.htm


electronic speedometer

“Train Speed” by TDP & Associates, Inc. can measure smph accurately to 150 Mph.  It has two photo cells with can make a speed trap for any scale. It is designed for control panel or façade mounting.

http://www.trainspeed.com/TrainSpeed1.htm  

“Bachrus speedometer”  MTS-DCC50 for Decoder Pro, allows measurement of scale speed of locomotives while running under DCC control. The locomotive's wheels rest on a set of ball-bearing-equipped running stands. One set of rollers, called the reader, is connected by a wire to a portable console that reads out the locomotive's scale speed, and other information.

http://www.bachrus.com/speedometer.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPLiJyZ21fk/url] 

Speedometers are so accurate that you never get the same Mph display at full speed forward and full speed in reverse. (Motor friction.)  This is why I plot my Mph speed data as “Ave. Mph”.

Robert Frey       5 Jan.  2011        [url=link] http://bobfrey.auclair.com


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Posted by misterconsister on Monday, January 31, 2011 10:31 PM

Very helpful, and good links, thanks for putting this together Robert.

Eric

I'm kinda likin this stuff

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Tuesday, February 1, 2011 2:39 PM

I have the trainspeed product.  Haven't hooked it up at the club yet but have seen them work.  They do work as advertised. 

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Posted by Robert Frey on Tuesday, February 1, 2011 6:39 PM

The Bachrus Speed Ometer is now  running with JMRI 2.11.2   This is part of the JMRI Bachrus speedometer program.  The JMRI 2.10 is the present working version. 

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Posted by Train Modeler on Tuesday, February 1, 2011 7:32 PM

Robert Frey

The Bachrus Speed Ometer is now  running with JMRI 2.11.2   This is part of the JMRI Bachrus speedometer program.  The JMRI 2.10 is the present working version. 

Robert Frey

Does it matter what sensors you use?    How do you get the sensor info to the computer?    I'm using a rrrcircuits USB/Loconet interface.

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Posted by Robert Frey on Tuesday, February 1, 2011 9:11 PM

With your DCC Locomotive turning it’s wheels in the test stands, the Bachrus Speed Ometer can put it’s Mph information at all speed step into a JMRI file.  http://www.bachrus.com/  The data in this JMRI file is still being work on by the JMRI experts.  This is being done in Test version 2.11.2 of JMRI/DecoderPro. Some of the changes involved are quite extensive. They may require a certain amount of experience before they are working well. Therefore, this test version should be considered experimental.

Robert Frey

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