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Problem with lights at crossover
Posted by hwolf on Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:58 PM

I have been installing Red & Greeen LED's on all my Panel controlling my Tortoise switches.  I wanted  to install a single Yellow light at my Double Crossover to indicate the crossover.  I cut one of the incoming wires coming from the Tortoise to the panel and put the LED on that line.  Only one problem.  Now the lights goes on but the switches do not throw.  What am I doing wrong.  Thanks in advance for your answers, 

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Posted by Vail and Southwestern RR on Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:57 PM

The LED only allows current to flow in one direction, so when you try to throw to the other direction, no current, no movement.

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Posted by hwolf on Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:41 PM

Do I just reverse the LED leads?

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Posted by Vail and Southwestern RR on Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:58 PM

Well, then it would work in the other direction!  A diode going the other way, or another LED would do the trick, if the problem is what I am picturing.

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Posted by hwolf on Monday, September 27, 2010 6:29 AM

Sorry I did not explain it well. The switch on the panel is a DPDT. What I am looking for is that when the switch is thrown and the turnout moves to the crisscross position the Yellow light comes on. When the track is straight the light is off. The way I have it now the LED is on and off when the Panel switch is in the correct position to throw the turnout.  The problem is the turnouts are not being thrown.  Also, One switch is controling two turnouts so both ends of the crossover change.  I hope this is a better explanation.

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Posted by Vail and Southwestern RR on Monday, September 27, 2010 9:38 AM

Is the crossover "stuck" in the cross position?  I am pretty sure my first instinct is correct.  Since the LED only conducts in one direction, the crossover is going to stay in the position where the LED is on, no matter how you throw the switch.  If you add another LED (or any diode, for that matter), parallel to the first, oriented in the other direction, I believe things will work.  I am concerned that you LEDs may be getting more current than they like, and could die an early death.  A tortoise expert may jump in with a better way of doing what you are doing.

Jeff But it's a dry heat!

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Posted by floridaflyer on Monday, September 27, 2010 10:01 AM

put in a bi-colored LED is series on one lead to the torti, power will be on in both directions.  Green for straight, red for divergent ( or whatever colors you wish). If the lights are backwards just reverse the led..

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, September 27, 2010 11:08 AM

 Simplest things to do is put a regular (1N4001) diode across the yellow LED the opposite way. Now when the turnout is thrown one way, the yellow LED will be on, the other way, no light, but the extra diode will allow current flow so the motor works.

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Monday, September 27, 2010 7:08 PM

Exactly.  The other thing you can do is run the LED off of one of the torti contacts with a dropping resistor. That would give you a positive indication when the torti actually transferred and not just when it was commanded.

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Posted by rrinker on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:14 AM

 Or use an LED of a different color, like red, instead of a plain diode, to show the route is set against you. That gives a pretty positive indication since series LEDs glow dimly while the Tortoise motor is moving and then brighten up when it stalls.

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