Trains.com

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Can't get Auto-Reverse to work

3944 views
11 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    February 2009
  • From: Warren, MI
  • 55 posts
Can't get Auto-Reverse to work
Posted by gtw1969 on Sunday, February 7, 2010 9:05 AM

Hello all,
I've wrote a few times in the past regarding this issue, but have since changed my setup. A little background for you...I now have an MRC Prodigy Advance 2 system hooked up to a more or less basic dogbone style layout with one crossover (see image below). The crossover has gaps (plastic joiners) on each rail indicated in the picture below, seperating one-half of the layout from the other. I have the track power set-up on the left half of the layout, with the right half totally shut off. I'm trying to get my MRC AD-520 Auto-Reverser to work with this configuration and haven't had any luck as it short-circuits when trying to go through the crossover at the gap. I've followed the intsructions exactly. I've even tried placing feeders within a half inch of the gaps thinking maybe the turnout frogs had something to do with it...no luck. Turnouts by the way are the newer Walthers/Shinohara #6 version (DCC friendly). From what I've read, after trying this configuration out, it seems as though the AD-520 isn't supposed to work with my system because it's more than two amps. Is this true? I'd also like to mention that I've even tried using a DPDT switch to troubleshoot the loop, and that doesn't work either!?! To say the least I'm getting frustrated with this. Even considering just throwing in the towel and doing away with the crossover. Any help on this matter would be MUCH APPRECIATED.

Thanks,
Steve

 

Tags: auto reverse , MRC
Steve Rigelhof http://sr-graphics.net
  • Member since
    July 2003
  • From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
  • 13,757 posts
Posted by cacole on Sunday, February 7, 2010 9:08 AM

No auto reverser will work with this track configuration because you don't have an isolated reversing section with both rails insulated at both ends.  Your configuration is trying to reverse the entire layout, which it can't do.

You need to put insulated rail joiners in both rails at a location near one of the stub sidings and half way around the curve to the right so the crossover is near the middle.  That section can then be reversed by the module as necessary.

 

  • Member since
    February 2009
  • From: Warren, MI
  • 55 posts
Posted by gtw1969 on Sunday, February 7, 2010 9:56 AM

I guess I don't quite understand what you are saying. I used to have a configuration like this with a DPDT switch that worked fine at one time. Do you have any suggestions as to how to fix what you are talking about? Thanks.

Steve Rigelhof http://sr-graphics.net
  • Member since
    July 2003
  • From: Sierra Vista, Arizona
  • 13,757 posts
Posted by cacole on Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:09 AM

Look at the wiring and track insulated gap diagrams that come with a PSX-AR auto reverser.  Your track is not gapped like this anywhere, so you don't have a section that can be reversed.  I don't know how to explain it in any simpler language.  Your layout has no reversable section.

http://www.dccspecialties.com/products/pdf/man_psxar.pdf 

  • Member since
    February 2008
  • 8,676 posts
Posted by maxman on Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:29 AM

gtw1969

Steve

It certainly appears to me that the right hand portion of the track plan forms a reverse loop.  A train running clockwise on the left portion can go through the crossover and run around the right side of the trackplan and return to the left half running counterclockwise.

  • Member since
    July 2006
  • From: Vail, AZ
  • 1,943 posts
Posted by Vail and Southwestern RR on Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:35 AM
maxman

gtw1969

Steve

It certainly appears to me that the right hand portion of the track plan forms a reverse loop.  A train running clockwise on the left portion can go through the crossover and run around the right side of the trackplan and return to the left half running clockwise.

I agree. If it doesn't work with the DPDT something isn't as shown. What's the wiring look like?

Jeff But it's a dry heat!

  • Member since
    February 2008
  • 8,676 posts
Posted by maxman on Sunday, February 7, 2010 10:43 AM

Vail and Southwestern RR
run around the right side of the trackplan and return to the left half running clockwise.

Oops, I should have said counterclockwise.  I edited my original post to make the correction.

  • Member since
    July 2006
  • From: Vail, AZ
  • 1,943 posts
Posted by Vail and Southwestern RR on Sunday, February 7, 2010 12:39 PM
maxman

Vail and Southwestern RR
run around the right side of the trackplan and return to the left half running clockwise.

Oops, I should have said counterclockwise.  I edited my original post to make the correction.

Actually, unless I have confused myself, it works either way, at opposite ends of the layout. The wiring is the question, I think.

Jeff But it's a dry heat!

  • Member since
    February 2009
  • From: Warren, MI
  • 55 posts
Posted by gtw1969 on Sunday, February 7, 2010 12:55 PM

That's what I'm trying to prove now (wiring). My thinking is that I may have the wiring on the right half of the layout tied in with the stub yard (right side stub yard) which really orginates on the left half of the layout before the blocks (crossover). For illustration purposes, the drawing is a BASIC example of my layout. What really happens is the right-side stub yard ends up on top of the right side loop (reverse loop). See more detailed picture below.

 

Steve Rigelhof http://sr-graphics.net
  • Member since
    February 2008
  • 8,676 posts
Posted by maxman on Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:07 PM

gtw1969
My thinking is that I may have the wiring on the right half of the layout tied in with the stub yard (right side stub yard) which really orginates on the left half of the layout before the blocks (crossover).

If this is the case, then that would be the problem.  I believe that your reverser connections should only be attached to the return loop as formed in the original diagram in you first post.  Disconnect any connections from the reverser to the stub yard and try it again.

  • Member since
    July 2006
  • From: Vail, AZ
  • 1,943 posts
Posted by Vail and Southwestern RR on Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:14 PM
The right hand yard needs to be fed from the same source as the track it sprouts from. If you've done what you said here, you have found your problem.

Jeff But it's a dry heat!

  • Member since
    February 2009
  • From: Warren, MI
  • 55 posts
Posted by gtw1969 on Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:48 PM

You guys are right!
Found my problem with the stub yard feeders sharing power with the reverse loop feeders. After clipping all the reverse loop feeders to make sure there was no power to the right side of the layout, I rehooked up the MRC AD520.....Bam! It works !!!!

Thanks for all of your help!...Now I have to figure out what I did to screw up my tortoises losing power to the crossover. That should be an easier problem to solve. I'm just glad I was able to get my reverse loop working again!!!!

Steve Rigelhof http://sr-graphics.net

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Users Online

There are no community member online

Search the Community

ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
Model Railroader Newsletter See all
Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox!