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motor quit running
Posted by rdettmer on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 3:02 PM

 help i have a digitrax dh123 at  in my athearn sd40-2 was running fine and after a short time went thru the reverse section and quit.  rear light coams on but no other works.  took out decoder and put back original dc  works fine. did i fry the decoder? or what  rick

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Posted by New Haven I-5 on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:22 PM

Try a different decoder.

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Posted by rdettmer on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 6:41 PM

 wish i had another one to try.  this was my first dcc attempt and so easy just unplug the old and plug in the new. i have a zepher digitrax  and a reversing  circuit ar1. every time it went thru the reverse  circuit it would kind of make a beep and run thru it.  then the last time it just quit running. funny thing is the zepher  didn't blink or anything still said 03 on display but the engine reverse light stays on and will not move.

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Posted by New Haven I-5 on Thursday, January 1, 2009 12:19 PM

 An easy way to not buy a decoder is to set up a DPDT(Double Pole Double Throw) switch. They only cost 5 bucks from Radio Shack and you can control what current (DC or DCC) is going to the track. I just set one up, and it works very well. Many MRR's have one or more, the latter for larger layouts.

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Posted by rdettmer on Thursday, January 1, 2009 3:59 PM

 how do you hook that up? the digitrax reverser was easy to hook up but not sure if it worked right becuz the engine quit. why did the engine rear light stay on when the engine was going forward into the section? anyone??

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Posted by New Haven I-5 on Thursday, January 1, 2009 6:15 PM

 David: 1. I wasn't talking about a auto reversing unit

           2. I don't use blocks, so I only need one DPDT

            3. I wasn't giving bad advice.

       

 

 

               SoapBox

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Posted by maxman on Thursday, January 1, 2009 6:25 PM

Getting back to your question, I assume you tried running the engine on the non-reversing section of the railroad prior to removing it.  What, if anything, happened then?  If the answer is that the engine still did not run, then you could try going through the resetting procedure for that particular decoder to see if you can get it back to the factory default values.

You also said something about a "beep" every time the engine crossed into the reversing section.  I think to decoder you have is non-sound, so I don't know what would be beeping.  Are you sure that the sound you were hearing was not the sound a momentary short makes?  I don't know anything about the particular brand of reverser you have, but from what I've read on this forum there may be some sensitivity adjustments you can make to eliminate that momentary short if that is what is really going on.

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Posted by rdettmer on Thursday, January 1, 2009 6:29 PM

 ok so we don't use the dpdt switch. still want to know what happened to the unit or decoder? won"t work on dc  and have no more dcc decoder engines  to try.

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Posted by rdettmer on Thursday, January 1, 2009 6:33 PM

 oh yes i tried running it again out of the reversing section got nothing, but the rear headlight  was lit up.

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Posted by maxman on Thursday, January 1, 2009 6:36 PM

So did you try resetting the decoder?

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Posted by rdettmer on Thursday, January 1, 2009 6:41 PM

 sorry i gave you the impression i did reset the decoder. no i didnt.  not sure how to anyway. as it is set to normal 03 setting i did not think i could. .

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Posted by maxman on Thursday, January 1, 2009 6:53 PM

I think the following link is to the instruction for your decoder, http://www.digitrax.com/ftp/dh123d.pdf

To reset the decoder, you have to set CV8 to a value of 9 (see page 3 of instruction).  If you can reset the decoder, it should put the decoder back at the default address of 3.  If you can't reset the decoder, my opinion would be that it is fried.  I don't know how your Zepher system does it's programming, so you'll have to read the instructions for that.  If you can't figure out how to do it, respond.  There are a couple smarter than me folks on this forum that should be happy to guide you through the process. 

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Posted by rdettmer on Friday, January 2, 2009 3:17 PM

 i tried resetting but got no  responce on the program track  and headlight on reverse is still lit on the main track. not sure how to get the settings it shows  on the manual .

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Posted by locoi1sa on Friday, January 2, 2009 4:49 PM

 rdettmer

  I am afraid your decoder is toasted.  The Beep you heard is the decoder taking a large cuurent flow when it shorts out. They can only take so much before the circuit is fried.Make sure the insulated gaps in your reverse turn are in the proper places. Also like a previose poster had said check the sensitivity of the reverser unit. It may be set too high and not switching polarity fast enough. The booster on the Zepher is 2+ amps. The decoder is 1 amp. since the momentary short happens in the decoder that gets fried before the booster trips. Set the reverser to its fastest and most sensitive setting and do a quarter test all around your layout to see if your booster trips.

   Pete

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 I started with nothing and still have most of it left!

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Posted by rdettmer on Saturday, January 3, 2009 6:50 PM

 according to the instructions on the decoder and the booster i set the values back to 008 and still got nothing to run. even on the program track. so i guess i will try to buy another one and try again.

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Posted by rdettmer on Sunday, January 4, 2009 7:03 PM

 installed a new decoder  dh123 d  not a dh 123 at. now the engine goes forward and reverse but no headlights  come on. i guess the other decoder is toast.  thanks to anyone who responded and helped me on this. bought a new engine today/dcc ready can't wait to try it.

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Posted by rdettmer on Monday, January 5, 2009 8:34 PM

 put the new decoder in got the headlight to work press a button it came on. put engine in run went around track. went thru first reverser ok a little hesitation  then went around to the next one heard the beep again so  did not run it anymore ran thru ok but did so last time also. new engine with sound wow love it will not let it go thru reverse until i figure out why the beep . seems to be wired ok  and track  between  insulated joiners is longer than 30 cars so should not short out in reverse section. maybe i got a bad digitrax reverser? anyone???????

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, January 5, 2009 9:09 PM

 Did you try adjusting the reverser? If it's set too high it will allow the booster to trip first, defeating the purpose. You want the lowest setting that reliably works. Too low and it will reverse if you look at it sideways - not really but it will try to reverse multiple times for one pass over the gaps.

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