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Dcc,Trains Stop and Start
Posted by dougedw4 on Sunday, November 16, 2008 10:59 AM

Hello:  I have an NCE system. My locos start and stop for no reason. After stopping the loco will restart  and move again. I've cleaned the track checked the blocks for proper power  It's like there is some variation in the messages being sent to the decoder.  NCE says my controller is operating perfectly.

Any and all ideas welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Doug Edwards

 

 

 

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Posted by MisterBeasley on Sunday, November 16, 2008 11:24 AM

OK, let's try some "diagnostics" to narrow down the problem:

Do all of your engines do this, or only one or two?  Do you have any engines which don't do this at all?

Is there a specific section of your layout where you have this problem, or is it all over the place?

Put two engines on the track at the same time, separated by at least a few feet so they don't run into each other.  Get them both running.  Do they both stop and start at the same time?  Or does one stop while the other keeps going?

What happens to the headlights when the engine stops.  Do they flicker out and come back on, or do they stay on? 

What are you using as a power supply for your DCC system?  Is it rated high enough to drive the system, and are you running anything else off of it, like structure lights, streetlights, turnouts, etc.?

The first question is trying to figure out if this is an engine problem.  It could be a loose wire inside the engine, or trucks shorting to the frame.

The second question is looking for track wiring problems.  It may be a loose wire, or perhaps you just don't have enough feeders, and the rail joiners aren't doing the job.

The 2-engine test will tell us if the DCC system is cutting out, or if if this problem is isolated to one engine or stretch of track.

Headlights show if you're getting power at all.  If they stay on, then there may be a wiring problem in the engine.

Finally, if you're using an undersized power supply, you may just be running out of available power.

Let us know what you find out.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:13 PM

 I've had one DCC loco which exhibited this kind of behavior. A Bachmann GP50. Turned out the decoder was bad.

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Posted by dougedw4 on Monday, November 17, 2008 3:37 PM

Thank you for your ideas I'll let you know how the tests turn out.

 Doug Edwards

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Posted by dougedw4 on Monday, November 17, 2008 3:41 PM

Thanks for the reply.  It happens on all my locos the messages are somehow getting garbled going to the decoders

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Posted by nbrodar on Monday, November 17, 2008 4:19 PM

 Does it happen to all the locos at the same time? That could be a intermittent open circuit somewhere.

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Posted by jeffrey-wimberly on Monday, November 17, 2008 4:51 PM

 If it happens to all the locos at the same time it's something with the DCC system or the way it's set up. If it happens to allthe locos on particular parts of the layout, and this is the odds-on bet, then it's a track problem.

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Posted by Hamltnblue on Tuesday, November 18, 2008 2:57 PM

What parts are you using for your NCE set-up?  If there is a smart booster involved look for the yellow light to flash when this happens.  I had 2 fail before switching to the 5 amp system.  The symptoms were similar with random track shut-downs and re-starts.

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