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new layout wiring
Posted by tracksman on Monday, March 3, 2008 8:14 PM
I am getting ready to set up the "Let's DCC Unitrack HO layout" on a 4x8 table. It consists of a single oval main with a both a north and south siding with spurs. I'm planning on using DCC and running 2 to 3 locos max at any given time. My question is the best way to wire the track? I'm thinking about 6 evenly spaces power feeds around the layout. Should I run the power feeds back to a central location? or should or can I run a loop of power feeds around the table and tap into the loop at each power drop? The power feeds to the track are currently supplies as 24 g. I'm thinks the loop should be 20 g? Will that handle up to 3A NCE Powercab system

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Posted by larak on Monday, March 3, 2008 9:08 PM

Six feeds should be more than sufficient.

I would run a bus under the track and tap off of it. 18ga will handle 5 amps but 16 ga would be better and suited for future expansion. 14ga or 12 ga is overkill for this size layout. Most of us (me included) tend to go overboard. Best to err on the side of caution (= more power), I guess.

20 ga drops will be OK if kept short but 24 may be too thin so more drops is better than fewer. 

Will you be soldering any of joiners (never used unitrack - don't know if that is even possible) ?

Will your locos have sound?

Karl 

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Posted by tracksman on Tuesday, March 4, 2008 6:23 AM
Thanks for the info. Yes I plan to have locos with sound, will that change the wiring? I didn't plan on soldering the joiners, I don't think it's necessary with Unitrack unijoiners, they lock in place. However after your comments I may scrap the 24g unijoiner power feeds and solder 20g feeds to the outside track rails. Not looking to do too much expansion, maybe a 2x4 extension in the future for a small yard/siding/spurs. This is a reentry layout after being out of the hobby for 20 years. I am looking to keep relatively simple, have 2 young boys that I'm looking to introduce to the hobby I enjoyed years ago.
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Posted by larak on Tuesday, March 4, 2008 6:13 PM

 tracksman wrote:
Thanks for the info. Yes I plan to have locos with sound, will that change the wiring? ... I am looking to keep relatively simple, have 2 young boys that I'm looking to introduce to the hobby I enjoyed years ago.

It's just that sound locos pull extra current. My concern is that with unsoldered joints and lack of feeds to every piece of track, the combined voltage "drop" across 24ga, then joint(s) and rail may become exessive as the joints age. If you don't mind the soldering, I think that the 20ga feeders are preferable.

I hope that at least one of your boys comes to enjoy the hobby as much as you do. I am working on indoctrinating my grandson before he discovers girls and cars. He's only six. So far so good. He can throw ground throws and toggle switches for turnouts. Still working on the train speed.

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Posted by Flint Hills Tex on Thursday, April 3, 2008 12:59 PM
 larak wrote:

My concern is that with unsoldered joints and lack of feeds to every piece of track, the combined voltage "drop" across 24ga, then joint(s) and rail may become exessive as the joints age. If you don't mind the soldering, I think that the 20ga feeders are preferable.

Karl 

Karl, I am also building my first layout after 25 years of armchair model railroading, and I definitely want to do DCC. I've been reading some of the information posted on NMRA sites. They also recommend running power feeds to "every piece of track". Is that really neccessary? I thought that DCC was supposed to simplify the wiring! If I've got to solder every piece of track together or run power feeds to every piece of sectional track, I may as well stick with analog and power blocks, as I'll not be running more than 2 locos at the same time.

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Posted by larak on Thursday, April 3, 2008 2:55 PM

Hi Lee,

I always assume three foot lengths of flex track or longer section sof hand laid. I (incorrectly) forget about section track.

Still, a feeder every six feet or even every ten feet is fine if you solder the joiners.  NS track has poor conductivity so I never like to be more than five feet from any feeder. Joiners work fine at first then oxidize and/or loosen unless soldered or jumpered with soldered wire. Don't forget occasional expansion gaps. If you don't solder joints you probably should feed every section - even those three inch ones. I'd rather solder. It gives the added benefit of smoother trackwork.

DCC or DC really makes little difference.  

I hope that this helps,

Karl 

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Posted by UpNorth on Thursday, April 3, 2008 10:54 PM
 larak wrote:

...  If you don't solder joints you probably should feed every section - even those three inch ones. 

I did that. Tried to figure out why some engines stalled in one direction in a specific section. Ended up I had a small 3" section gapped at both ends. Wired a feeder to it and bingo, no more stall. 

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