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Big Boy 4014
Posted by John-NYBW on Sunday, April 28, 2019 10:45 AM

I'm planning to drive out to Wyoming from Ohio this week to see the refurrbished Big Boy 4014 make its first powered run in almost 60 years on May 4. I put this on my bucket list as soon as I learned UP was planning to do this. I checked the UP Steam Schedule and everything seems to be go. A friend told me it passed its tests a few weeks ago. I plan on leaving Wednesday, stopping at Bailey Yard in North Platte Nebraska on the way. I plan on taking both still and video shots with my new camera. I hope to post pictures and videos when I return. I'll be checking their website right up until I leave to make sure no problems have popped up. If anyone hears any news between now and Wednesday that might affect the scheduled run, I'd appreciate if you would post it. 

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Posted by BNSF UP and others modeler on Sunday, April 28, 2019 10:51 AM

I'm jealous! Yes, be sure to post a lot of videos and pictures. I never had any exposure to steam power in my childhood, so seeing stuff like this is all new. I'm really the only railfan in the family...

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, April 28, 2019 10:52 AM

If you use Facebook, I'm sure there is a following on there. I don't, but just a thought.

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, April 28, 2019 6:18 PM

 There was just a video posted on YouTube showing them getting steam up. The turbogenerators were running, and the blew the whistle. It took a while to get the whistle sounding, at first it was just a big cloud of steam, but then she cleared her throat and the whistles sounded.

 More insteresting though were the zoomed in shots, the steam pipe to the rear engine was not connected and the valves were not installed yet. Maybe that's a fairly quick job, but she's definitely not ready to roll just yet. Cab sides were still masked for painting as well. They are really pushing it to have this loco run under its own power this week.

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Posted by OT Dean on Monday, April 29, 2019 12:35 AM

BNSF UP and others modeler

I'm jealous! Yes, be sure to post a lot of videos and pictures. I never had any exposure to steam power in my childhood, so seeing stuff like this is all new. I'm really the only railfan in the family...

 

I lived for the first 13 years of my life within cinder distance (you older guys will know what I mean!) of the MILW, at the end of steam and I want to see the pix, too.  I hope somebody posts good video on YouTube, complete with **SOUND**, too!

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, April 29, 2019 4:45 PM

 Steam was gone in the US by the time I was born, but from an early age I've been on various tourist railroads riding behind steam. Even some smaller stuff, like 18" gauge and 1 1/2" scale. Plenty of full size standard gauge steam locos - we are lucky to have many operating steam locos around here. 

 Funny thing, while Alco diesels are my favorites, I do like Baldwin switchers, abd Baldwin steam locos - probably from having a copy of Fred Westing's Baldwin book since I was a kid, and there is a page comparing the Big Boy to the DM&IR Yellowstones which outdid the Big Boy in some characteristics.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Monday, April 29, 2019 4:59 PM

OT Dean
I lived for the first 13 years of my life within cinder distance

There was a short Brit series on how steam and coal changed everything, not only economic, but cleaning and cooking.  For fellow history buffs:

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Posted by Colorado Ray on Tuesday, April 30, 2019 12:00 AM

While traveling between North Platte and Cheyenne you should make a short side trip to Crawford Hill.  Great site for catching BNSF Powder River coal trains.  There's a ranch with access.  As I recall they ask for a small donation and provide a map of the property with viewing locations.  

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, May 03, 2019 7:19 AM

 So who was watching Jim Wrinn's live stream last night to see 4014 move out on the main on a test trip to Greeley?

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Posted by peahrens on Friday, May 03, 2019 8:14 AM

rrinker

 So who was watching Jim Wrinn's live stream last night to see 4014 move out on the main on a test trip 

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Me & 2799 others.  Exciting once the Big Boy got there.  Several good videos & photos online, including from Trains live coverage.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, May 03, 2019 2:44 PM

 Lots of people from my area, it seems. One of the guys invovled int he CNJ 113 project was watching from the cab of 113! I think the only oen that would have been better than that was if someone was in the cab of one of the other stuffed and mounted Big Boys watching. During one of the delays I know I mentioned seeing if I could get ot Steamtown and to that Big Boy before the live one came through. I would have lost that one, I would have been maybe halfway there. Plus the park was closed by that time.

Turned into a meme-fest for a while, XXXXX will be running before 4014 gets moving.  Some peopel can;t take a joke, tellign everyone how railfanning requires patience, blah blah. Someone said it's called rail fanning and not train fanning because most of the time you are staring at empty rails.

 I'm not a huge UP fan, or even really a Big Boy fan, but even so, you must admit that was something seeing that big loco steam past. The sheer size of it is out of this world. I don;t think anyone who hasn't seen one up close can really appreciate it - it's just a bunch of numbers, so many tons, so many feet long. But go stand next to one. Fan or not, it is one impressively huge piece of machinery.

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Posted by BNSF UP and others modeler on Friday, May 03, 2019 6:28 PM

I just watched a video on it running on live steam. Guess who decided to put a top quality HO model of this on his mental wish list?

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, May 03, 2019 8:53 PM

 Well, you have an near infinite number of options, I think there have been moore different models of Big Boys made than there were actual Big Boys. It's probably easier to list which well known model makers DIDN'T make a Big Boy.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Friday, May 03, 2019 9:46 PM

BNSF UP and others modeler
Guess who decided to put a top quality HO model of this on his mental wish list?

Laugh  I'm beginning to know you BN, would you actually pay the price for a "top quality" model?  with out kicking and screaming ?  Laugh

Just joking, OK? Just having fun. Laugh

I'm not a steam guy, but I think a Yellowstone would be cool.  Is the Big Boy bigger?  I don't even know! 

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Posted by BNSF UP and others modeler on Saturday, May 04, 2019 10:39 AM

My modeling motto is "why buy what you can find cheaper elsewhere or reasonably make for yourself?"

I don't think I'm up for the challenge of making myself a big boy model, but when the time comes to buy one, I'll be doing a lot of research and bargain hunting to make sure I save as much money as possible.Pirate Used doesn't bug me, I just triple check to make sure the locomotive and sound decoder work very well and there are no details missing...

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Saturday, May 04, 2019 11:18 AM

mbinsewi

I'm not a steam guy, but I think a Yellowstone would be cool.  Is the Big Boy bigger?  I don't even know!

Hmmm, do we have a convert away from yellow things??? Smile 

As an NP fan in pains me to say that a Big Boy is, regrettably, bigger. Sad Crying

...but, the Yellowstone came a decade earlier (30s) while the Big Boy came during WWII (40s). So the Yellowstone was the biggest until the Big Boys and Alleghenies appeared.

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Posted by rrinker on Saturday, May 04, 2019 12:38 PM

 And the Yellowstones outperformed the Big Boy in several areas, even if the Big Boy was longer and heavier.

 Big Boy may be the BIGGEST US steam loco, but they weren't the most powerful.

 

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Posted by selector on Saturday, May 04, 2019 1:27 PM

rrinker

 And the Yellowstones outperformed the Big Boy in several areas, even if the Big Boy was longer and heavier.

 Big Boy may be the BIGGEST US steam loco, but they weren't the most powerful.

 

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While not entirely definitive (there is the odd mistake in the information from loco-to-loco), the site 

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/

has some very useful, and instructive, information about steam locomotives.

Boiler horsepower is one thing, but the weight and driver configuration is a powerful determinant of how much tractive effort a given steamer can apply to the rails. A lowly Pennsylvania "hippo" I1sa generated more tractive effort than the large Union Pacific Challengers, just as a ferinstance. The Pennsy's Q2 was reputed to develop nearly 7500 hp.  It's tractive effort was modest compared to the Big Boy, Allegheny, Yellowstone, and the Y Mallets, but that horsepower meant it could sustain higher speeds with heavier tonnages than could a boiler producing significantly less horsepower.  It was in lifting the same tonnage to 20 mph that the others came out on top, and they could sustain that speed, perhaps with some help, on the significant grades for which they were designed and on which they were used.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, May 04, 2019 3:17 PM

mbinsewi
I'm beginning to know you BN, would you actually pay the price for a "top quality" model? with out kicking and screaming ?

Yes! Let's make that a Scale Trains "Museum Quality" Big Boy.Smile, Wink & Grin

That would centainly fill BN's wish for a top quality Big Boy.Big Smile

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Posted by gmpullman on Saturday, May 04, 2019 3:27 PM

BRAKIE
Yes! Let's make that a Scale Trains "Museum Quality" Big Boy.

Or, in a slightly larger scale?

https://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/057829/Gauge-1-Brass-Model-Train-FAM-Fine-Art-Models-UP-Union-Pacific-4-8-8-4-Big-Boy-4000-w-Display

I'll take two!

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Posted by BNSF UP and others modeler on Saturday, May 04, 2019 5:05 PM

We will see if scaletrains makes a 4-8-8-4. They haven't done any steam locos yet...

YIKES!! $16,000!! I'll wait for the price of brass to go down some more first.Big Smile

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, May 05, 2019 8:20 AM

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locomotive and sound decoder work very well and there are no details missing...

A whole different generation of locomotive buyers.  I was in second heaven when I could buy my first Athearn BB GP35.  Laugh  Decoder?  Sound?  

And then I learned how to get rid of the metal strip, It didn't get any better than that!  

The yellowstones seem "closer to home" to me, used on the DM&IR.  I'd have to build a lay out to fit an HO scale yellowstone.  Laugh  I don't think it would work on my 24" radius! Laugh

To me the big boy and the yellowstone were just big steam locomotives.  I really know nothing about'em, as with steam, in general.

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Posted by tstage on Sunday, May 05, 2019 11:32 AM

B-e-e-g steam (e.g. articulateds) always seems to turn heads...and rightfully so.  Give me a long line of freight cars though double-headed by a couple of long-lived, heavy Mikes or Mountains to turn my crank. Stick out tongue

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Sunday, May 05, 2019 12:09 PM

tstage

B-e-e-g steam (e.g. articulateds) always seems to turn heads...and rightfully so.  Give me a long line of freight cars though double-headed by a couple of long-lived, heavy Mikes or Mountains to turn my crank.  

I must agree that smaller steam has a lot more charm that a big boy, or even a yellowstone or Z8. I must say I was much more excited about the restoration of Skookum (a 2-4-4-2 logger) than the big boy. If I had a steam model railroad, I would run geared locos and a few small, older steamers like a mogul or a modern american, but nothing larger than a consolidation. Big steam just doesn’t excite me as much.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, May 05, 2019 1:22 PM

SPSOT, tell me a story, since your in your late teens, have you spent your young life immersed in a railroad university? or are you just one huge sponge and can soak up everything you read?  Or both?  Laugh

You haven't lived long enough to experience everything you seem to know about.  Amazing.   Surprise

We have another young man in here, your age, and when he landed in here a couple or 3 years ago, he came in with both guns a'blazin'  Laugh  He pretty much hangs in the diner now, as he's busy with work, and such.

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Posted by SPSOT fan on Sunday, May 05, 2019 10:36 PM

Uhhh, well I guess I don’t have a life outside of school and train things...

In truth it’s because I read about trains a lot (last year I checked pretty much every train book at my local library) and also know some retired railroaders who tell me a lot of stuff.

It helps that I don’t work...

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Posted by doctorwayne on Monday, May 06, 2019 12:17 AM

The first time I went to Steam Town, I arrived early, and wandered around looking at the outdoor displays.  I was, of course, drawn to the Big Boy, which was impressive. 
However, I was even more impressed by the T-1 on the other side of the parking lot, making me regret not having seen any of them run when they were in excursion service, not all that far from my home in southern Ontario.

I do intend to see the 4014 running, though, sometime later this summer.

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, May 06, 2019 7:17 AM

 We'll make an honorary Reading man out of you yet, Wayne!

Big Smile

 With any luck, there may be TWO of them running. R&N is slowly but surely working on getting 2102 back in shape. Since they actually set up a passenger station on the outskirts of Reading (mostly RDCs for now - but ex-Reading RDCs), I'm hoping in a few years they will run trains headed by 2102 from there. 

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Posted by Lonnie Utah on Monday, May 06, 2019 10:00 AM

I'm taking the boy out of school on WED and we're getting up early and driving west to see 4014 make it's run from Evanston, Wy into Utah.... 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Monday, May 06, 2019 10:47 AM

SPSOT fan
Big steam just doesn’t excite me as much.

After seeing C&O Allegheny and N&W Y6Bs in action in the mid 50s as a child. I will agree with you for one reason..Those engines and PRR J1s scared the living daylights out of me!! Surprise

N&W 4-8-0 #444 became "my" engine after the crew allowed me in the cab and let me blow the whistle and took me for a short cab ride while switching Krogers bakery in Columbus,Oh. I cried when I went to watch "my" engine switch the bakery only to find it was replaced by a shiny new GP9 and the 444 was taken away never to be seen again.Crying 

Heart broken at such a tender age.

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