Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Alcohol heater for CP Rail insulated boxcar

2922 views
14 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    July 2010
  • 118 posts
Alcohol heater for CP Rail insulated boxcar
Posted by BN7150 on Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:53 AM

I noticed that it was written as "Insulated Heated" on the junk boxcar I got from long ago. It's a 50 ft CP rail plug-door car made by MDC. Does anyone know what the heater looks like? The 40-foot version was found on magazines and on the internet, but the 50-foot version seems larger. Because the model is a junk, I just want to finish it simply by cutting out a plastic block and bonding it to the underfloor. Why use alcohol instead of kerosene for fuel?

MDC/Roundhouse plug-door boxcar

MDC/Roundhouse plug-door boxcar

MDC/Roundhouse plug-door boxcar

MDC/Roundhouse plug-door boxcar

Any information thanks.

  • Member since
    December 2015
  • 7,319 posts
Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, March 21, 2019 12:11 PM

New to me. 

They used them to prevent produce from freezing, replacing charcoal heaters.   Search ebay for Preco Boxcar Heaters

As to why alcohol?

Probably more than you wanted to know

 

 

Henry

COB Potomac & Northern

By the Chesapeake Bay

  • Member since
    May 2010
  • 7,127 posts
Posted by mbinsewi on Thursday, March 21, 2019 12:12 PM

I found this:

I'm not sure why alcohol over other fuels.

Mike.

EDIT:  Looks like Henry has it covered.

  • Member since
    November 2016
  • 476 posts
Posted by j. c. on Thursday, March 21, 2019 2:31 PM

my guess for using alcohol , would be fumes smelling up produce . wouldn't you just injoy a BLT that had a kerosene  smell to it .

  • Member since
    December 2015
  • 7,319 posts
Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, March 21, 2019 8:40 PM

Fumes was my first thought too. 

Also, at the time these were developed, we don't really know what the cost and availability of the other fuels were.

According to a quickie google search, today, kerosene costs twice as much a methanol.  If that was true then, it's not hard to see why they went with alcohol.

Henry

COB Potomac & Northern

By the Chesapeake Bay

  • Member since
    July 2010
  • 118 posts
Posted by BN7150 on Friday, March 22, 2019 1:10 AM

Thank you everyone. I understood the reason for adopting alcohol well. The boxcar in the picture is longer than 40-foot and shorter than 50-foot. It's 45-foot? This allows me to estimate the size of the underfloor equipments and the ventilators. By the way, are alcohol heaters still used? Or have they already been replaced by mechanical reefers? Kerosene was used in the Eastman Heater car, which was developed in 1880. (Page 85 of the April 2013 issue of the RMC magazine)

CP Rail CP165134

The repair points of this model are the four stirrups, the lower part of the side board, the removing of the roof walk, and the white retouching of the R-side. Matching orange color seems difficult. Is the roof not good with silver? Given that, I do not know when it will be completed.

  • Member since
    October 2008
  • From: Canada
  • 1,295 posts
Posted by cv_acr on Friday, March 22, 2019 10:35 AM

BN7150

The boxcar in the picture is longer than 40-foot and shorter than 50-foot. It's 45-foot?

CP Rail CP165134

 

No, it is a 40' car.

  • Member since
    July 2010
  • 118 posts
Posted by BN7150 on Saturday, March 23, 2019 12:57 AM

Chris, as you say. The box car is 40-foot. The attached image is the October 1980 issue of ORER. The energy to modify the model may have disappeared. :'(

Oct. 1980 issue of ORER

  • Member since
    July 2010
  • 118 posts
Posted by BN7150 on Thursday, April 11, 2019 12:56 AM

I found a 50-foot model of the same design on the Ebay auction. The car number is "CP 166590," which is the Walthers Mainline CP Rail 50' Insulated Boxcar 166590 stock#910-2016. The attached image is quoted above from Ebay. That's a 50-foot car, included in the 166549-166592 series, according to the ORER mentioned earlier. A little bit of energy came out. :)

Walthers 50' insulated box car

  • Member since
    February 2015
  • 494 posts
Posted by NHTX on Thursday, April 11, 2019 7:37 AM

     A quick look at the trucks on the CP 165134 car will show two greatly different wheelbases, pointing to distortion in the photograph itself, at a casual glance, causing one to believe the car might indeed be more than 40 feet in length.

  • Member since
    January 2004
  • From: Canada, eh?
  • 11,006 posts
Posted by doctorwayne on Thursday, April 11, 2019 12:48 PM

BN7150
...Matching orange color seems difficult....

It would be, as the car, prototype and model, is yellow. 

SMP offered it, CP Action Yellow, in their Accupaint line, and it may still be available in their more recent version of those excellent paints.

BN7150
The repair points of this model are the four stirrups, the lower part of the side board, the removing of the roof walk, and the white retouching of the R-side. Matching orange color seems difficult. Is the roof not good with silver? Given that, I do not know when it will be completed.

The thinness of the sidesills makes it difficult to add new sill steps.  In cases like that, I prefer to add strip styrene, of appropriate dimensions, to the inside face of the car's sides where the steps are to be added.  Use solvent-type cement, and let the joint completely harden before drilling it to accept A-Line formed metal replacement steps...

Use a suitable file to remove material from the cast metal underbody, in order to accommodate the added thickness of the car's sides at those points.

If you're going to remove the runningboard/roofwalk, you should either shorten the ladders appropriately, and also lower the brake wheel on the car's "B" end, or add appropriate warning label decals to indicate that "THIS CAR HAS NO ROOF WALK".

Depending on how accurate you wish to make it, you could also add the ventilators to the car's sides, replace the cast-on grabirons with formed metal ones, and re-number the car to match that of one of the 50'-ers shown in the ORER page posted earlier.
If you're also going to add the underslung heater, you may also wish to model the air brake components, and their piping and brake rigging, too.

Projects like this are the first step onto a very slippery slope, which can sometimes place you where you never expected to be.

Wayne

  • Member since
    March 2016
  • 214 posts
Posted by dh28473 on Friday, April 26, 2019 12:44 PM

Where is the heater on this car or box for the heater and tank for the fuel?  

  • Member since
    May 2010
  • 7,127 posts
Posted by mbinsewi on Friday, April 26, 2019 12:52 PM

dh28473
Where is the heater on this car or box for the heater and tank for the fuel?  

Under the door, and to the left of the door, attached to the bottom of the car.

Mike.

  • Member since
    January 2004
  • From: Canada, eh?
  • 11,006 posts
Posted by doctorwayne on Saturday, April 27, 2019 12:43 AM

There were also 50' versions of the real cars.  An acquaintance sent a photo of one, but the underbody was too dark to make out anything other than the trucks' sideframes.

Wayne

  • Member since
    July 2010
  • 118 posts
Posted by BN7150 on Sunday, April 28, 2019 5:56 AM

Thank you very much for your advice. The underfloor was diverted from plastic surplus item for processing reasons. The remaining is painting, and the challenge is to match the yellow color.

CP Rail Heater boxcar

CP Rail Heater Boxcar

Subscriber & Member Login

Login, or register today to interact in our online community, comment on articles, receive our newsletter, manage your account online and more!

Search the Community

ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
Model Railroader Newsletter See all
Sign up for our FREE e-newsletter and get model railroad news in your inbox!