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Help Identifying a CSX Locomotive

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Help Identifying a CSX Locomotive
Posted by railandsail on Sunday, January 27, 2019 10:12 AM

Back during this past summer I bought a couple of  HO, CSX locomotives from an estate sale in Jacksonville. I got 2 locomotives, and a steel coil car. I was informed by a relative that the gentleman who owned these was a retired executive of CSX (headquartered in Jacksonville). 

One of the locos was an Overland brass model,...
Overland Models OMI 6553.1 CSXT AC6000CW

Pretty obvious that this one was well identified.
 

The second loco is the problem. I can not read the bottom of this loco as it is mounted on a displace case, and there is a sticker covering the mounting screws.


 

I've written to that 'Mainline Models', but no reply yet.

I had one gentleman offer this......??

"The second engine is supposed to be an EMD SD70MAC according to the road number but looks like it was custom built using an SD45 shell.  Trucks are correct but the shell and frame are lacking.  Like trying to pass a Challenger for a Big Boy in steam terms."

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, January 27, 2019 11:22 AM

I'm not getting in a sand box box fight with this, but I don't get the SD45 part.  The hood looks correct, the horns are in the wrong spot, but other than that, it's a real close enough representation of the SD70MAC.  The grills, fans, filter box, exhaust, all seem to be right.  The radiator fan area is missing a bit of detail, but nothing that serious.

How could he tell you about the trucks?  They are not visable with the angle of the photo?

Google SD70MAC, and look at all the images. There is one of BNSF SD70MAC laying on it's side.  Good shot of the roof.

A CSX SD70MAC might have a few different features, only typical of CSX, compared to others.

Google CSX 700, and look at all the images, actually once there, look at the images in rrpicturearchives, and look for yourself.

I would remove the stickers, and take the loco off the mount, and check it out.

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Posted by NittanyLion on Sunday, January 27, 2019 11:25 AM

I suspect that the second one is a somewhat generized EMD unit as a promotional item. I remember a neighbor of mine who had worked from FedEx having a large model airplane (like the big ones travel agents used to display) that he'd received around the time they'd switched from the purple Federal Express livery to the white FedEx livery. It wasn't any specific type, but a sort of DC-10 looking plane.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, January 27, 2019 11:58 AM

NittanyLion
I suspect that the second one is a somewhat generized EMD unit as a promotional item.

Excellent point!

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Posted by ROBERT PETRICK on Sunday, January 27, 2019 12:57 PM

I don't want to get into a sandbox fight either, but it looks more like an SD-60 than an SD-70MAC. Even so, the handrails and cab are wrong and details are missing, but if I had to vote, I'd go with SD-60.

Maybe OP can check the CSX rosters. EDIT: Whoops, never mind. Apparently already checked and came up with SD-70MAC.

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Posted by rrinker on Sunday, January 27, 2019 12:59 PM

 Yup, pretty sure that's exactly what it is - just a stylized model made to symbolize the partnership, not represent any specific locomotive. Such swag is fairly common in the industry. Back in the day, and also depending on just how far up the ladder you were, things might be of better quality, like that OMI loco. 

 My ex father in law had a bunch of Conrail things he was given over the years. Mostly glorified trinkets, he was no executive, he was a locomotive parts buyer. Nothing so grand as a brass model.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Sunday, January 27, 2019 1:22 PM

There seems to be different versions of the CSX 700.  Looks like it was resurected, and had a couple different lives.

As pointed out, it's just a close enough, and as Randy puts it, a trinket.

If you realy wanted to get in a fight over it, it does have a lot of the SD60 going for it, but that's as far as I'm going.

Whatever, it's cool, maybe he'll take it off the board and take a closer look, for his own sake.  I wouldn't spend anymore time tracking down the specific prototype, as it probably never did  excist, the way that display model shows.

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Posted by j. c. on Sunday, January 27, 2019 3:13 PM

fallen flags has several photo's pf CSX 700

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Posted by rrinker on Monday, January 28, 2019 10:38 AM

 The handrails on the 700 look sort of like Athearn BB style stanchions.

It's sitting on a piece of Atlas Code 100 track.  Can't miss the giant spike detail. I suspect the company listed was simply contracted by CSX to put together the display, maybe custom paint the model as well. I'd ay it's a simple off the shelf model (would acocunt for the horns being in the wrong place) painted as CSX 700 and mounted with a piece of track and cork on a simple wood base. Nothing more, nothign less. If the shell doesn;t lift off, I'd just take it apart and look at the bottom. If you have a dental/mechanics mirror perhaps you could look under the loco without taking it off to see if there are any manufacturer markings, although typically this would be on the bottom of the fuel tank and you're not getting under there without getting it off the track.

 This is sort of a cost reduced piece of swag, the OMI brass one is more like a "let's give the executives something REALLY nice" sort of thing.

 Although I doubt Mainline Models does things on the cheap - they have lots of interesting pictures on their web site of some of their work, but not this one, this would have been one of their earlier displays, as the web site says they have been around for 25 years.

 Also, this 700 was destroyed in a wreck, the current 700 is an ES44AC.  

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, January 28, 2019 11:16 AM

I had to check out their web site too. 

"Each model we carefully and meticulously assemble is completely accurate and prototypical to its train car contemporary"

Yea, kinda.

The pictures in Fallen Flags show the prototype to this model.

There's about 5 other pics.

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Posted by railandsail on Monday, January 28, 2019 11:50 AM

I'll have to try that dental/mechanics mirror trick,...didn't think of that.

Meantime a few moro pics of the model,...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It does appear to have those 4 holes in the bottom of the fuel tank that were characteristic of Athearn locos?

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Posted by railandsail on Monday, January 28, 2019 12:03 PM

Mirror I had was too thick,...going to have to be paper thin.

 

 

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Posted by mbinsewi on Monday, January 28, 2019 1:16 PM

I'd remove the stickers, or plugs, or whatever hides how ever it's fastened down, and check it out.

It's not like it's worth a ton of money, like the brass loco you got with it.  This is a toy compared to that.

Have you inspected the brass loco yet? taken the hood off?  checked it out?  I couldn't wait if it was mine.  Same wat with this display model.

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Posted by railandsail on Monday, January 28, 2019 6:07 PM

I received this reply from the builder this afternoon,...

 

We remember this project we did for CSX.  It was a custom built, painted & decaled locomotive that began as a RailPower SD70MAC shell before they were massed produced.   The sideframes were a Smokey Valley product that we also built from a kit.
  It's in remarkable shape, even the display case, for being as old as it is.

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