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Hopper or Gondola, is there a difference?/My First Kitbash.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 6:17 AM

So the car should be closer to 6.25 Oz total weight than 9.75!Laugh

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Posted by Steven Otte on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:38 AM

Attention RioGrande5761 and other critics

Whether NWP SWP ever completes one of his projects should not be fodder for your speculation or criticism. I don't see anyone cracking the whip over how much or how little progress you're making on your projects. If all that ever gets done is talk, what skin is that off your nose? Back off. Stop reading his threads if it bugs you so much. You may think you're encouraging him to get building, but that's not the effect you're having. Stop being such a wet blanket.

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Posted by doctorwayne on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:03 AM

Steven Otte

Attention RioGrande5761 and other critics

Whether NWP SWP ever completes one of his projects should not be fodder for your speculation or criticism. I don't see anyone cracking the whip over how much or how little progress you're making on your projects. If all that ever gets done is talk, what skin is that off your nose? Back off. Stop reading his threads if it bugs you so much. You may think you're encouraging him to get building, but that's not the effect you're having. Stop being such a wet blanket.....

As I see it, Steven likely wouldn't have accomplished anything without the prodding he's received.  That he handled that prodding as well as he did surprised me, as did the job he accomplished with his first kitbash.
The combination of helpful suggestions and comments of the naysayers, in my opinion, help to put Steven's feet back on the ground, channelling his over-enthusiasm into concrete results.

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When I first came to the MR Forums in 2004, I was absolutely appalled at the negative and demeaning comments directed towards Jeffrey, and it almost caused me to forego this site.  Fortunately, another Member here directed me to what is now the Big Blue forums, where Jeffrey was also a Member and getting a much kinder reception.

While I agree that derogatory and overly negative remarks do need to be moderated (I moderate on Big Blue), I don't see any of what's been posted in this thread fitting into that category.

As for riogrande5761, his latest post seems pretty conciliatory to me:

riogrande5761

Gratz on your first kit bash.  It looks pretty good and after painting will look even better.

...and, credit to Steven...

NWP SWP

.....I want to thank you all for the nonstop pushing, I probably wouldn't've gotten the project started, let's hope that I can start moving towards tackling some of the other ideas I've had! After I finish this one of course!

 
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Posted by NWP SWP on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:46 AM

From what I've seen my critics have been pretty quiet now that they see the progress I'm making.

I really think some of you guys were expecting another failure, but this time it wasn't, why? Because I have a paycheck coming in so I can finance these projects.

Mr. Otte, this time I'm good and hold no malice towards my critics, just a bit more acknowledgement from them would be nice.

Well I'll post some picture of the car running on the club layout.

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Posted by tstage on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 12:11 PM

NWP SWP
I really think some of you guys were expecting another failure, but this time it wasn't, why? Because I have a paycheck coming in so I can finance these projects.

Actually, failure had nothing to do with it, Steven, because little had been done prior to that.  Some of us expected this project would likely go the way of your previous projects - i.e. words but no action.  Now you've taken action and done a respectable job at it.

And you don't have to have a lot of money to accomplish a kitbash...but it does help.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 2:35 PM

OK moving on, I weighed the car earlier, I followed NMRA standards BUT on difference if the car weighs a fraction of an ounce the weight is rounded up to the nearest half ounce, I might change this further to round up to the nearest whole ounce.

Edit.

I just updated the car weight to 7 ounces.

Also for the time being I packed the weight (copper BBs) in ceran-wrap and then wrapped it with a little scotch tape to simplify the transport of car and weight, the weight I'll place dead center in the car.

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Posted by Steven Otte on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 3:50 PM

doctorwayne


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While I agree that derogatory and overly negative remarks do need to be moderated (I moderate on Big Blue), I don't see any of what's been posted in this thread fitting into that category.

The discouraging posts I was referring to were deleted.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 6:00 PM

OK I really weighted the car with pennies taped together and placed equally at each end of the car, I'll be testing with the pennies and BBs (separately of course) to test performance.

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Posted by dehusman on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 7:54 PM

Sheet lead is the best looking alternative for an open top car, but it is difficult to find and can be a hazardous material if not handled properly.  Sheet metal is close second, but steel or brass is more challenging to cut.  Another alternative is to figure out how many pennies, bb's or shot is required and figure out how much of the floor will be covered by a single layout of the material.  Then put square plastic strip a bit bigger than the thickness of the weight around that area of the floor, glue in a single layer of the weight and cover it with a layer of .010 plastic that sits on top of the plastic strip.  When painted the sheet plastic can blend into the floor, especially if the car is black.  For BB's or shot, I like white glue or CA, for pennies, I usually use latex caulk.

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:20 PM

dehusman
Sheet lead is the best looking alternative for an open top car, but it is difficult to find

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Sheet lead is readily available on eBay at very reasonable prices. I buy mine in 1/32" thickness. It cuts easily in a paper cutter to HO car width and is easy to work with.

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Do handle it carefully, and do not leave it exposed.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:27 PM

OK so heres the downlow on the car, the couplers are uphigh.

What I meat if because the buckeyes needed the bolster relocated and higher the couplers are half again too high, so I have to develop a plan to lower them, the bolster could in theory be lowered but I'm worried about the trucks not clearing. I even swapped the 36" wheels for 33" but that 1 looks funny and 2 they aren't  correct for the car 3 the trucks won't clear as well.

  I'll work on them some more to see if I can get it right.

Edit. Also when I build the next car I might consider correcting the stall spacing on the second stall. At each end.

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Posted by Bayfield Transfer Railway on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:04 PM

NWP SWP
It a long story of why both pumps are broken and you probably won't believe me.

 

I worked in a hotel.  I'd believe **** near anything.

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Posted by Bayfield Transfer Railway on Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:10 PM

NWP SWP

 

 

Well done!

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Posted by "JaBear" on Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:01 AM

NWP SWP
OK so heres the downlow on the car, the couplers are uphigh

Gidday Steven, I’m uncertain how the couplers are uphigh when the car is downlow!!!Smile, Wink & Grin
 
I may have missed what couplers you’re using but if you aren’t aware, Kadee make over set shank couplers, which may partially help with the height issue. Yeah, I know obtaining extra parts is a pain especially if you don’t an LHS just down the road.
 
 
IMO, while having the correct dimensions is relatively important, what is more important, especially when kit bashing or scratch building from a photo, is that you get it looking right. It would appear that you have that aspect under consideration.
 
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Posted by trwroute on Wednesday, July 11, 2018 7:53 AM

I think the car looks great!  Can you post a picture of the bolster modification?

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Posted by doctorwayne on Wednesday, July 11, 2018 9:22 AM

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doctorwayne

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While I agree that derogatory and overly negative remarks do need to be moderated (I moderate on Big Blue), I don't see any of what's been posted in this thread fitting into that category.

The discouraging posts I was referring to were deleted.

 
My mistake then....those posts must have been made and removed between the times that I'd viewed the thread.  Another Member, after the removal, alerted me to those comments, via PM, and their removal was definitely justified.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Wednesday, July 11, 2018 9:32 AM

I'll post a picture in a while, it might not be till this evening, I have a lot of stuff to do today.

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Posted by BNSF UP and others modeler on Wednesday, July 11, 2018 12:20 PM

I wants some of those now. Keep up the good work!

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Posted by NWP SWP on Wednesday, July 11, 2018 1:07 PM

BNSF/UP, I'll PM you some specifics of what I did if you're interested.

I'm going to also be writing up an article for MR on the next car build.

I just emailed MRs article submission email about writing an article and I am now awaiting a response.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Wednesday, July 11, 2018 2:24 PM

Wayne, well said and thank you for the defense.  This is Mr. Otte's forum of course, but looking at the big picture, I don't see things as dire as I was called out for, rather I see positive good things as evidenced by this latest topic.  And where before, there was a lot of pushing needed, now we are seeing the fruits and young Steven is to be applauded and encourage here.

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Posted by Bayfield Transfer Railway on Wednesday, July 11, 2018 3:18 PM

As my oldest brother says, "Do something, even if it's wrong."

Teaching myself to weather, I did a LOT of horrible weathering jobs.  That's why I bought a bunch of 99 cent junk cars at flea markets to practice on.

"Hey, Cabbie, how do I get to Carnegie Hall?"
"Practice, practice, practice!"

Also -- your craftsmanship is quite good.  The car is straight and level, and there is no obvious external seam where you made the join.  Nicely done.

 

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Posted by NWP SWP on Wednesday, July 11, 2018 11:31 PM

OK I did not get a chance to photograph the bolster, I made a boo boo, one of the guys at the club suggested filing down the bolsters a little, well I barely filed any off and the trucks now sit at an angle because they're catching on the underframe, now I tinkered some more and I think I fixed it, if not I will put a washer to make up the difference, and I ordered long shank couplers, I might have to just cut the draft gear boxes off the extra lengths of underframe I have and glue them on top of (under) the existing boxes to get the coupler height corrected.

Also the underframe is going to be slightly beefed up via the addition of fishbelly runners. Overall I'm pretty satisfied with the overall result.

Two things I need to do, study some of the GACX (ex-KCS) cars to see some of the end details and I need to order something to cut the styrene sheet better like a paper slicer or something (insert your suggestions here)

I am considering leaving this car unpainted being it's my first car, I will be building another and documenting the construction in detail in both photos and text for my article.

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Posted by 7j43k on Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:43 AM

Sometimes one makes a "proof of concept" car, as a test.

And then makes the real one.  And the next......

 

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Posted by NWP SWP on Thursday, July 12, 2018 10:49 AM

True.

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Posted by BNSF UP and others modeler on Thursday, July 12, 2018 12:06 PM

Don't worry about it Steven. I want so many different cars and I meant they look so good that I would want them. I have so many other projects I need to finish though...

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Posted by tstage on Thursday, July 12, 2018 1:35 PM

7j43k

Sometimes one makes a "proof of concept" car, as a test.

And then makes the real one.  And the next......

Ed,

Exactly. I did that with a NYC emergency war caboose that I kitbashed from a MDC 40' wood boxcar and Walthers wood caboose.  It turned out decent but I'd like to make another that's better and more accurate.

Right now I'm working on detailing a Kato NW2 switcher with photo-etched parts.  I purchased a used Kato NW2 shell off eBay to experiment with first.  After I've completed the mock-up and I'm happy with the results, I'll detail the undecorated shell that I'll eventually paint for the NYC.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, July 13, 2018 10:57 PM

Okay I'm getting ready to call NWP-SWP shops car #001 complete and begin the next one.

Only thing I'd like to change is use a 76 foot (or two shorter ones spliced) as the chassis and mount the gondola bodies atop that.

This change is because I just don't find the first cars underframe beefy enough for the length of the car.

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Posted by NWP SWP on Friday, July 13, 2018 11:34 PM

What I probably will do is take two flat car kits (probably around 62 ft or so) sand down the deck, cut the cars, then glue the spliced gondola body on top of them and thereby splicing them.

Now I hope the flat cars I use are a little narrower than the gondola so the little side supports can be extended (via styrene strip) down the side of the of the flat car which I'll have to sand down as well.

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Posted by dehusman on Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:20 AM

Your car, you can try it, but I think it will look better if you just add some strips of styrene to the underside to create the fishbelly and then extend the side stakes.

I think the approach you are heading toward will look like you glued a hopper shell on a flat car.  

The alternative is to cut the floor of the hopper out, trim the sides, but not the side stakes and replace the bottom couple feet of the hopper sides with the fishbelly off the flat car, keep in the flatcar truck bolsters and coupler mounts.

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Posted by NittanyLion on Saturday, July 14, 2018 8:07 PM

Those MDC/Roundhouse gons had alignment issues with the underframes and the side stakes  When I repainted a few last year as scrap service gons, I built new underframes. From their thickness and how the crossmembers align with the side stakes, it makes more sense to fabricate them instead of trying to modify a flat.

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