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Running Stock Train On Modern RR
Posted by caldreamer on Friday, June 08, 2018 6:52 PM

Yea, Yea, I know that stock trains went out years ago on railroads, but I have Mohawk Packing Company on my contenporry BNSF layout.  Would it be too outlansish to run a livestock train to the packing plant?

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Posted by PED on Friday, June 08, 2018 6:59 PM

Its your RR....do whatever works for you. If you are freelancing, you can assume you have a special situation where you have stock cars coming based on a special arrangement you have with a stock yard nearby. I don't know the rules but I think the Gov stepped in many years ago and rquired the stock cars to stop after a certain amount of time to water the stock. Your "supplier" would need to be within that time frame.

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Posted by xboxtravis7992 on Friday, June 08, 2018 7:00 PM

One of the last stock runs in the modern era was a Union Pacific high priority freight, that carried hogs to a Los Angeles slaughterhouse. The stock cars were placed directly behind the locomotives, with intermodal trailers behind the stock cars. This ran well into the 90's with a few photos showing widecab locomotives lugging the stockcar/intermodal car mix:

http://www.railpictures.net/photo/396185/

So with some reasonable logic, you could base your stock car operations off the late era Union Pacific practice.

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Posted by 7j43k on Friday, June 08, 2018 7:31 PM

The trick might be coming up with modern stock cars.

The closest might be the old AHM 50' stock car.  It was double decked.  It didn't have a roof walk, so it looked kind of modern.  Several of those might look good.  And sorta modern.

Here's a photo:

You might find more information at Hoseeker.com.

Someone once had a great site for AHM cars, but I can't find it.

 

 

 

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Posted by j. c. on Friday, June 08, 2018 7:51 PM

why not just service the packing plant with trucks in and rail refers out.

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Posted by caldreamer on Friday, June 08, 2018 8:17 PM

Trucks in, reefers out means less traffic for my railroad.  Stock cars with cattle and sheep as well as hog cars means a lot more trains to run.

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Posted by BNSF UP and others modeler on Friday, June 08, 2018 8:31 PM

Or... if your layout does not have any era distingushing features like modern vehicles, buildings, landmarks etc, you could call it _'s era day and run them then. That way, you could almost run early 1900's one day and 2018 the next!

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Posted by 7j43k on Friday, June 08, 2018 8:45 PM

caldreamer

Stock cars with cattle and sheep as well as hog cars means a lot more trains to run.

 

 

Sheep and hogs go in two deck cars.  Cattle go in single deck cars.  The ones I suggested are two deck cars.

I think AHM also did a convertible car.  New York Central, as I recall. But they would have been pretty old, I think.

Here they are:

 

That horizontal "pipe" at the bottom of the side was used to lift and lower the deck.  You can see 4 vertical chains going up the side.  The chains wrapped around the pipe.  But these cars are, as I assert, too old for modern times.

 

Here's a place with some very good detail photos of the 50' car:

http://www.icollector.com/HO-SCALE-AHM-Stock-Car_i13856196

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Friday, June 08, 2018 9:15 PM

7j43k

The trick might be coming up with modern stock cars.

The closest might be the old AHM 50' stock car.  It was double decked.  It didn't have a roof walk, so it looked kind of modern.  Several of those might look good.  And sorta modern.

Here's a photo:

You might find more information at Hoseeker.com.

Someone once had a great site for AHM cars, but I can't find it.

 

 

 

Ed

 

 

Pratt truss stock cars, I like it Ed. I may be looking for a few of those cars myself. In fact I know I will. I hope they come in N scale.

My favorite Bridge (Pratt). Working on one now. Never mind that temporary railroad board Mach up underneath, that's just to keep things straight where my columns go.

 

 

 

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Posted by dehusman on Friday, June 08, 2018 9:17 PM

Actually in a modern era, it would be pretty rare for beef to be shipped out by rail.  Most probable prototype situation is cattle in by truck, beef out by truck. 

I know chicken processing plants ship frozen chicken out (chickens in by truck).

If you look beyond the standard modeler traffic, you have other options.  You can have boxcars of packaging inbound.  You can have a rendering plant adjoining the packing plant and ship tallow (edible and inedible), offal, bone meal, etc.

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Posted by xboxtravis7992 on Friday, June 08, 2018 9:33 PM

dehusman

Actually in a modern era, it would be pretty rare for beef to be shipped out by rail.  Most probable prototype situation is cattle in by truck, beef out by truck. 

I know chicken processing plants ship frozen chicken out (chickens in by truck).

If you look beyond the standard modeler traffic, you have other options.  You can have boxcars of packaging inbound.  You can have a rendering plant adjoining the packing plant and ship tallow (edible and inedible), offal, bone meal, etc.

 



Yes, Tallow is pretty common to be shipped in and out of large slaughterhouses. I know the Swift plant south in Hyrum, Utah on the Union Pacific Cache Valley branch ships out both types of tallow in tank cars.

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Posted by j. c. on Friday, June 08, 2018 9:52 PM

according to the info i have  the NP had the last stockcars built in  the US in 1966 , some roads redid  box cars into stock  like in link http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-stock-m.jpg 

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Posted by NittanyLion on Friday, June 08, 2018 10:53 PM

If you wanted to get creative, it would be an interesting project to build a "what-if" modern stock car.  Maybe something in the 60' range with sidewalls like a stock trailer has.  Could be pretty neat looking.

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Posted by caldreamer on Saturday, June 09, 2018 8:19 AM

I model in N scale.  I was thinking of 4 0 foot stock cars for cattle, the 50 foot AHM cars for sheep and the Atlas 85 foot pig pen cars for hogs.  What I have is a small scratch built packing plant building,  It was an excellent idea to have a small number of cars brougth in on the head end of a train and delivered to the packing plant.   Tallow, out in tank cars, Offal and meat in mechanical reefers and hides out in 40 foot box cars.    The plant is adjacent to a small yard, so the local brings the cars up from the main yard and then delivered to the packing plant.

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Posted by DSchmitt on Saturday, June 09, 2018 8:39 AM

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, June 09, 2018 8:47 AM

caldreamer

I model in N scale.  I was thinking of 4 0 foot stock cars for cattle, the 50 foot AHM cars for sheep and the Atlas 85 foot pig pen cars for hogs.  What I have is a small scratch built packing plant building,  It was an excellent idea to have a small number of cars brougth in on the head end of a train and delivered to the packing plant.   Tallow, out in tank cars, Offal and meat in mechanical reefers and hides out in 40 foot box cars.    The plant is adjacent to a small yard, so the local brings the cars up from the main yard and then delivered to the packing plant.

 

 

On this forum, if you don't say otherwise, you're in HO.  Since you didn't say that at the beginning, you are now in HO.  So.  You MUST get rid of all your N scale.  Sorry. That's the rules.  NOW you can search for the most excellent cars I suggested.

 

OK.

 

If you had a slaughterhouse that brought in three different kinds of animals, it would likely be the size of a large county.  You don't.  I suggest you pick one.

You could, of course, respond that when there's no stock cars parked at the plant, no one can tell which type of animal goes there.  Thus arguing that, as long as the cars are delivered by animal type, it doesn't matter.  OK.

In the real world, there are no more stock cars.  Undoubtedly, there's a reason.  I applaud your rejection of the reason, whatever it is.  But I do urge you to make the rejection as believable as possible.  Thus, stock cars would have to be "modern".  And you should spend some time daydreaming (using logic and reason) WHY this particular plant bucks the system and pulls it off.  Might be fun.

 

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Posted by caldreamer on Saturday, June 09, 2018 10:20 AM

Rule 1.  This is MY railroad.

Ruel 2.   Any questions or conscers refer to rule 1.

Since I hve a slaughter house on my layout, assume that what you see is only part of the plant, small thought it is.  All three types of livestock are handled thus creating more traffic for the railroad which is the ultimate goal.  I checked and the siding is 39 inches from fouling point to end of siding. Enough for a number o fstock cars at one time.

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Posted by 7j43k on Saturday, June 09, 2018 10:52 AM

caldreamer

Rule 1.  This is MY railroad.

Ruel 2.   Any questions or conscers refer to rule 1.

Since I hve a slaughter house on my layout, assume that what you see is only part of the plant, small thought it is.  All three types of livestock are handled thus creating more traffic for the railroad which is the ultimate goal.  I checked and the siding is 39 inches from fouling point to end of siding. Enough for a number o fstock cars at one time.

 

 

"Would it be too outlansish to run a livestock train to the packing plant?"

 

So, you want to ask the question, but ignore the answer.  Hmmmm.

 

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Posted by caldreamer on Saturday, June 09, 2018 12:31 PM

Ed:

  There were some great answers, but the sarcastic reply got a sarcastic answer.  I am always open to reasonable suggestions.

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Posted by caldreamer on Saturday, June 09, 2018 4:53 PM

I will have the five or six stock cars placed on the head end of my Z train, so the livestock will get to their destination as quickly as possible.  My only other question is did the packing plants get stock cars every day?  I need to figure out how often to have the stock cars moved on my railroad.

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Posted by ATSFGuy on Saturday, June 09, 2018 6:06 PM

Regarding Stock Train operations, you might want to do some research on that, I'm sure you'll find the answers.

Even a contemporary railroad allows for the occasional exception. What road is your stock train? From where is it traveling to?

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Posted by dehusman on Saturday, June 09, 2018 6:50 PM

caldreamer
My only other question is did the packing plants get stock cars every day? I need to figure out how often to have the stock cars moved on my railroad.

Well technically the current answer is they don't get stock cars any day.

Since you aren't modeling anything real, then the answer to your question is moot.  You can have stock cars spotted every 4 hours if you want. 

You have said you are modeling a very large packing plant.  Very large plants need a lot of cattle.  Small plants need a small amount of cattle.  How many cards do you want to spot?

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Posted by caldreamer on Saturday, June 09, 2018 6:59 PM

I model the BNSF from Richmond, California up to Klamath Falls, Oregon.  The stock train would run from Klamath Falls down to my hump yard (major yard) at Sacramento, where the stock cars would be cut off the Z train and put on a local and run directly up to the Bieber yard which is adjacent to the packing plant. The stock cars would be immediatly taken to the packing plant and the other cars would be left in the yard for the Beiber local to deliver later that day.  Outbound cars would be returned to the hump yard for sorting and put on the appropriate outbound trains. The Z train would proceed to the intemodal yard as soon as the stock cars are cut out and power is put back on the train.

 

 

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Posted by DSchmitt on Sunday, June 10, 2018 1:27 PM

 HOGX car 1990's

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 Model of car built by Ortner 1966

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Posted by csxns on Sunday, June 10, 2018 2:50 PM

dehusman
know chicken processing plants ship frozen chicken out (chickens in by truck).

Chickens has to eat and the chicken food around here comes by unit train.

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Posted by dehusman on Sunday, June 10, 2018 8:22 PM

csxns
Chickens has to eat and the chicken food around here comes by unit train.

But that's not even close to what he's modeling.

The largest poultry farms get unit trains, several in Arkansas and N Texas got them.

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Posted by cx500 on Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:20 PM

If you are getting several cars at a time, the livestock would likely first get unloaded into outdoor holding pens rather than going directly into a slaughter house.  The several hundred animals will need to be inspected after the trip for health before entering the food chain.  I also suspect there are valid health reasons for keeping separate holding pen areas for each type of livestock, with very thorough cleaning required if the use changes.

Stock cars would get unloaded as soon as possible on arrival at destination. That is why they would often be handled on the head end of a train; the yard engine would be standing by, ready to spot them for unloading as soon as the road power cut off.  Stock traffic required precision scheduled railroading, something the railroads used to do quite well.  Now it is an empty buzzword. 

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Posted by caldreamer on Monday, June 11, 2018 8:29 AM

Your suggestion about the se[erate pens for the different types of animals is a good one.  As I said in a previous post the yard engine will move the stock cars immediat;y to the packing plant upon arrival (See my prior post, about 3 posts back from this one).

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Monday, June 11, 2018 8:51 AM

There is an interesting discussion on TrainOrders a few years ago which stated when the real railroads ran stock trains.  D&RGW, my RR ran them into the late 1970's or early 1980's - can't remember exactly when the last train was.  So my time frame being around there I could protypically run a stock train but the hard part would be finding stock cars that work for that time period.

 

https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,3216919

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Posted by joe323 on Tuesday, June 12, 2018 6:41 AM

I have been trying to get the address of the Perdue chicken plant in Salisbury MD with no luck I want to Google Earth it to see if it is rail served.

Joe Staten Island West 

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