UP boxcars question

[stefanuccio]

Hi All

I have few boxcars of the Union Pacific in brown paint scheme and yellow lettering

On the side there is the slogan BE SPECIFIC SHIP UNION PACIFIC I am very interested to know in which time period can be used considering also that what it seems to be a date on the side says something about 58 [may be 1958?!]

Did this boxcars see use in the mid  to the late 1960s as well ?

thanks for your help

 

[dknelson]

As it happens a car with that very lettering and color scheme is on the cover of Morning Sun book's Vol 2 of Union Pacific freight and passenger cars in color book. 

I definitely saw cars with that scheme in the 60s.  Also the large map scheme on more modern yellow cars was seen in the 60s too. 

Dave Nelson

[cv_acr]

stefanuccio

Did this boxcars see use in the mid  to the late 1960s as well ?

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=up163750&o=up 1958

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=up106300&o=up 1966

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=up125307&o=up 1979

[dehusman]

There was one in company service with that slogan in the early 1990's in Salt Lake City.

[stefanuccio]

hi and thank you all

then

1-can I safely mix the brown cars with this logo and the yellow cars with silver roof and map in the period early to mid 1960s?

2-the brown other UP cars with the UP big badge and the slogan Travel the Automated way can they also be foun in the early to mid 1960s?

thanks for your guidance

stefano

[cv_acr]

Yes.

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=up108766&o=up

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=up165438&o=up

[stefanuccio]

Thanks very much for the competent guidance and the lovely and self-explanatory pics

much appreciated

stefano

[binder001]

By way of trivia - UP usually used the Armour Yellow ith Aluminum scheme on cars that had cushion underframes or certain other new equipment.  "Regular" boxcars still got brown colors all the way through to the merger era.  At some point (60's???) UP went from their earlier freight car color, which was an reddish or orangish shade of brown to a Tuscan Red shade.  In the 80's I saw fairly new boxcars with the "We Can Handle It" slogan in red on the yellow cars, and in white on the tuscan cars, BOTH series having gone through the shops at a similar time.  So, yes you certainly can mix the "brown" cars with the "yellow" cars. 

[stefanuccio]

thanks for the update Binder

I have just realized now that the brown cars with the large American badge on the side and the slogan TRAVEL THE AUTOMATED WAY have no walkways on the roof so I have to ask

Are this cars still prototopical for the mid 1960's to the late 1960's in this format ?

thanks very much for your patience

[cv_acr]

Roofwalks were removed from cars beginning in the late 1960s. (New cars began to be built without roofwalks in 1966.)

[stefanuccio]

thanks very much

does this means that [also for cars of the UP] cars with and without roof walkways can be legally mixed with each others in the 1965-1969 time frame ?

[cv_acr]

Yes. Roofwalks were gradually removed from older cars throughout the late 1960s and 1970s.

[wjstix]

IIRC the ruling about roofwalks being banned came out in 1964, and railroads were supposed to comply by 1966...but there were a lot of exemptions and delays and such, so all roofwalks weren't removed until sometime in the 1970's.

BTW you rarely see models of house cars (boxcars, reefers, stock cars) that have no roofwalk but still have the roofwalk supports along the top of the car - but that was pretty common in the late sixties / early seventies.

[stefanuccio]

thank you for the much appreciated information on this post

regards

to all

[wp8thsub]

wjstix

IIRC the ruling about roofwalks being banned came out in 1964, and railroads were supposed to comply by 1966...but there were a lot of exemptions and delays and such, so all roofwalks weren't removed until sometime in the 1970's.

The start date under the applicable regulations (e.g. 49 CFR section 231.27) was in 1966 (for cars built on or before 04/01/1966 and placed in service before10/01/1966).  The dates for compliance for existing cars were pushed back at least once.  I'd have to look it up but I think the initial date was around 1974, but compliance was impractical so the date was moved to 1983.  There are many photos of cars still in operation in 1980 or later with running boards and full height ladders on both ends.

[stefanuccio]

great piece of information

thanks very much Rob