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NYC GP40
Posted by Christian H on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 12:21 PM

Hi,

here is a picture.

I want know what´s about the cylinder on the right side of the nose.

What company makes a detail part inHO?

 

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Posted by EmpireStateJR on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:16 PM

I believe it is an Automatic train stop motor / generator.

I cannot find a model source for it at this time.

John R

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Posted by dti406 on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:19 PM

Christian, it looks like the ATS Generator for the ATS Shoe on the front truck.  This part is available from Custom Finishing #208.

 

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Posted by EmpireStateJR on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 3:25 PM

[quote user="EmpireStateJR"]

I believe it is an Automatic train stop motor / generator.

I cannot find a model source for it at this time.

John R

Check notes below on NYC GP40s.

John R

EMD GP40 — 25 units
B-B; 16-645E3 engine; 61:16 gear ratio; 3,000 horsepower; 277,000 pounds operating weight

Road
Number
First
Number
Second
Number
Third
Number
Builder
Date
Builder
Number
Date
Retired
Notes
5500 NYC 3010 PC 3010 CR 3010 Dec 1965 30947    
5501 NYC 3011 PC 3011 CR 3011 Dec 1965 30948    
5502 NYC 3012 PC 3012 CR 3012 Dec 1965 30949    
5503 NYC 3013 PC 3013 CR 3013 Dec 1965 30950    
5504 NYC 3014 PC 3014 CR 3014 Dec 1965 30951    
5505 NYC 3015 PC 3015 CR 3015 Dec 1965 30952    
5506 NYC 3016 PC 3016 CR 3016 Dec 1965 30953    
5507 NYC 3017 PC 3017 CR 3017 Dec 1965 30954    
5508 NYC 3018 PC 3018 CR 3018 Dec 1965 30955    
5509 NYC 3019 PC 3019 CR 3019 Dec 1965 30956    
5510 NYC 3020 PC 3020 CR 3020 Dec 1965 30957    
5511 NYC 3021 PC 3021 CR 3021 Dec 1965 30958    
5512 NYC 3022 PC 3022 CR 3022 Dec 1965 30959    
5513 NYC 3023 PC 3023 CR 3023 Dec 1965 30960    
5514 NYC 3025 PC 3025 CR 3025 Dec 1965 30962 9 Aug 1989 1.
5515 NYC 3026 PC 3026 CR 3026 Dec 1965 30963    
5516 NYC 3027 PC 3027 CR 3027 Dec 1965 30964    
5517 NYC 3028 PC 3028 CR 3028 Dec 1965 30965    
5518 NYC 3029 PC 3029 CR 3029 Dec 1965 30966    
5519 NYC 3030 PC 3030 CR 3030 Dec 1965 30967 9 Aug 1989 2.
5520 NYC 3031 PC 3031 CR 3031 Dec 1965 30968    
5521 NYC 3032 PC 3032 CR 3032 Dec 1965 30969    
5522 NYC 3033 PC 3033 CR 3033 Dec 1965 30970    
5523 NYC 3034 PC 3034 CR 3034 Dec 1965 30971 9 Aug 1989 3.
5524 NYC 3035 PC 3035 CR 3035 Dec 1965 30972    

General Notes:

a. Built as New York Central 3010-3035, renumbered to PC 3010-3035 after merger of New York Central and Pennsylvania in 1968 which formed Penn Central. Renumbered to CR 3010-3035 after formation of Conrail in 1976. Returned by CR to lessor/owner in 1980 upon expiration of 15 year lease. The original owner/lessor sold all 25 units (PC 3024 wrecked and retired by PC) to Precision National Corp. in July 1980.
b. C&NW leased the units from PNC in late 1980 and purchased all but 5502 on 10 March 1981. C&NW 5502, ex CR 3012, was taken into C&NW accounts on 1 July 1981. All 25 units were rebuilt between June and December 1981 at Oelwein shops, using new electrical cabinets and modifications to the throttle and dynamic braking controls.
c. Equipped with Automatic Train Control and Automatic Train Stop.
d. Equipped with dynamic braking.
e. EMD order number 7831.

Notes:

1. Sold to Helm Financial, reconditioned and leased to UP as UP 886 in December 1989.
2. Sold to National Railway Equipment Co., Dixmoor, Ill., February 1990, resold to Helm Financial, reconditioned at CN's Montreal shops and leased to UP as UP 882 in February 1990.
3. Wrecked (roll-over), sold to National Railway Equipment Co., Dixmoor, Ill., February 1990, wreck damage repaired, resold to Helm Financial, reconditioned and leased to UP as UP 871 in December 1989.


 

EMD GP40 — 13 units
B-B; 16-645E3 engine; 61:16 gear ratio; 3,000 horsepower; 277,000 pounds operating weight

Road
Number
First
Number
Second
Number
Third
Number
Builder
Date
Builder
Number
Date
Retired
Notes
5525 NYC 3036 PC 3036 CR 3036 Nov 1965 30973    
5526 NYC 3037 PC 3037 CR 3037 Nov 1965 30974    
5527 NYC 3038 PC 3038 CR 3038 Nov 1965 30975    
5528 NYC 3039 PC 3039 CR 3039 Nov 1965 30976    
5529 NYC 3040 PC 3040 CR 3040 Nov 1965 30977    
5530 NYC 3041 PC 3041 CR 3041 Nov 1965 30978 9 Aug 1989 1.
5531 NYC 3042 PC 3042 CR 3042 Nov 1965 30979    
5532 NYC 3044 PC 3044 CR 3044 Nov 1965 30981    
5533 NYC 3045 PC 3045 CR 3045 Nov 1965 30982    
5534 NYC 3046 PC 3046 CR 3046 Nov 1965 30983    
5535 NYC 3047 PC 3047 CR 3047 Nov 1965 30984    
5536 NYC 3048 PC 3048 CR 3048 Dec 1965 30985 9 Aug 1989 2.
5537 NYC 3049 PC 3049 CR 3049 Dec 1965 30986    

General Notes:

a. Built as New York Central 3036-3049, renumbered to PC 3036-3049 after merger of New York Central and Pennsylvania in 1968 which formed Penn Central. Renumbered to CR 3036-3049 after formation of Conrail in 1976. Returned by CR to lessor/owner in 1980 upon expiration of 15 year lease. The original owner/lessor sold all 13 units (PC 3043 wrecked and retired by PC) to Precision National Corp. in July 1980.
b. C&NW leased the units from PNC in late 1980 and purchased the 13 units in March 1981. All 13 units were rebuilt between June and December 1981 at Oelwein shops.
c. C&NW 5525, as NYC 3036, was the first production GP40 using EMD's new 645 engine.
d. Equipped with Automatic Train Control and Automatic Train Stop.
e. Equipped with dynamic braking.
f. EMD order number 7851.

Notes:

1. Sold to Helm Financial, reconditioned at CN's Montreal shops and leased to UP as UP 883 in February 1990.
2. Wrecked (roll-over), sold to Helm Financial, reconditioned and wreck damage repaired and leased to UP as UP 870 in December 1989.


 

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Posted by cv_acr on Friday, January 27, 2012 12:52 PM

Note also the ATS shoe mentioned by one or two people above (looks like a funky brace below the bearing for the first axle on the front truck).

I do believe these two things are related; pretty sure I've seen detail parts for these from either Details West or Details Associates. Having no particular need for these details as the railroad I model never used any form of ATS, I've not looking into this very closely.

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Posted by train18393 on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:06 AM

Yes it is Automatic Train Stop equipment. I use the Custom Finishing part mentioned, as well as the shoe on the first axle. I also use the ground mounted inductor that passes the signal to the ATS equipment on the locomotive, along with a small junction box. It makes for interesting wayside details. ATS would apply the air brakes if the engineer passed a signal that indicated stop, and then he had some splanin to do about why he ran a restritive signal aspect. There was an electrical cabinet on some NYC locomotives, such as the one in the same location on the following Pennsy unit. Some NYC units had the other components hidden from view with no ancillary cabinet, and some had the cabinet. They were also applied to steam locomotives, but the pick up shoe was mounted on the tender trucks, with the equipment box usually up by the water hatch. There is a little round gizmo mounted on the frame, directly under the 4 in the unit number, with a flexible cable going down to the shoe that is also part of the ATS.

Paul

Dayton and Mad River RR

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