ConcoPhillips Santa Maria refinery's only finished products are petroleum coke and sulfur. The refinery process sour, heavy coke. The semi-refined product, after sulfur and coke extractions, are shipped via a 250-mile pipeline to the company's Rodeo refinery for further refining. Company policy prevented me taking photos within the refinery grounds at Santa Maria, but satellite shots should show the large piles of sulfur and coke within less than a mile south of the refinery. The sulfur is used as a fungicide on local vineyards, and the coke is shipped overseas to be used as fuel.
lonewoof So what would you call one of these? It has slope sheets, and bottom doors (hinged across the width of the car), so is it a hopper?
So what would you call one of these? It has slope sheets, and bottom doors (hinged across the width of the car), so is it a hopper?
I'm reviving this old thread in the hopes that Lonewoof could possibly reload his blanked out picture, from a hosting service that currently works, please! I'm looking to build up a fleet of chip cars, not requiring a rotary dump. Dan
Southgate I'm reviving this old thread in the hopes that Lonewoof could possibly reload his blanked out picture, from a hosting service that currently works, please! I'm looking to build up a fleet of chip cars, not requiring a rotary dump. Dan
I "opted out" of reading this whole topic. Intermountain makes woodchip cars based on drop-bottom gondolas:
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/distrib/redcaboose/html/RR-35203.htm
They come in several roadnames. You could also build your own.
In particular, note that they do not require a rotary dump, since they have the doors.
Ed
Not sure what lonewoof is describing. Could it be
Ballast Hopper
http://www.angelfire.com/il/cnw/open.html
Or
Coalporter
http://www.matts-place.com/trains/coal/images/tgnx30051.jpg
I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.
I don't have a leg to stand on.
Thank you for the replies and further photo support. Since I posted that request, I realized that I don't need the cars to unload at my chip pile. It could be used to LOAD the hoppers, gons, converted box cars, AND the ship at the dock. To this day a large chip facility in Coos Bay loads ships and rail cars. It is fed by chip trucks, and I could scratchbuild a few, enough to easily represent the trucks-in, rail and ships-out transfer.
Modern day method, I know, uses large cars built just for this purpose, but I'm modeling the early days of stopping the burning of waste material and chipping and using more. So converted cars will suffice.
I remember the trucks in my youth running highways 42 and 101 in Oregon with a slogan on the backs of the trailers; "We Haul Smoke" Dan
7j43kI "opted out" of reading this whole topic. Intermountain makes wood chip cars based on drop-bottom gondolas:
Ed,I suspect those SP&S drop-bottom gondolas was used for sugar beets not wood chips.
Larry
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BRAKIE 7j43k I "opted out" of reading this whole topic. Intermountain makes wood chip cars based on drop-bottom gondolas: Ed,I suspect those SP&S drop-bottom gondolas was used for sugar beets not wood chips.
7j43k I "opted out" of reading this whole topic. Intermountain makes wood chip cars based on drop-bottom gondolas:
Oh, no. The SP&S homebuilt their various conversions specifically for woodchip service. I believe they even bought some UP drop-bottoms and did the same.
Now, on the SP, there surely were sugar beet cars that looked pretty much the same. I once "rescued" a sugar beet from the truck sideframe of one of them.
Ed,As you know GN and SP&S ran solid sugar beet trains.There was a article in Trains magazine many years ago covering sugar beet trains that's why I thought that SP&S gon was a sugar beet car.
Larry,
I've not heard of SP&S handling solid sugar beet trains, or generating any sugar beet traffic. I'd sure like to hear more. From a map of sugar beet growing, it looks like there's a little bit around Pasco, so maybe some could come from there.
I went back through some articles on the SP&S cars. They were all built for use as woodchip cars. And were so assigned.
I suppose it's possible that some hauled sugar beets on occasion. If the cars are available, and there's a need, why not?
Oh, yes. Besides the SP&S woodchip car by Intermountain/Red Caboose, there's also the Intermountain Caswell cars. SP&S converted some of those, too.