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On a visit to Horseshoe Curve in Pa. in 1978 I saw a unit train of about 100 loaded shorty ore cars ascend the hill out of Altoona. The train had two GP38-2's, a U23B & a GP30 pulling and two SD40-2's, an SD45 & an SD45-2 pushing and still couldn't make more than 10 mph rounding the Curve.
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