Like the title says I have little understanding of how HSP and tractive effort translate into cars being pulled. I looked up the metrics for a Tier 4 Gevo and it has a TE of 166,000 lbs while the Big boy only has 135,000 lbs of TE. In real life the Big boy has the pulling power of multiple Gevos, right? If so how do manufacturers like GE know how many cars their designs will pull? In a sense I guess I'm asking for the larger equation of pulling power besides just tractive effort or horsepower.
Locomotives with bigger numbers can pull more train cars.
My answer was easier to read.
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Thanks, Sheldon. Very interesting read.
BradenD If so how do manufacturers like GE know how many cars their designs will pull?
the maximum tractive effort depends on the adhesive weight of a locomotive, the weight on the driving wheels of a steam locomotive. exceeding that force results in wheel slip.
Newtons Laws translate force to acceleration and speed. but the tractive effort needs to overcome train resistance which includes both bearing friction and aerodynamic forces (see chart). it also needs to over the force of gravity due to grade. the net force results in positive acceleration when it exceeds the sum of the resistance force
horsepower is force / speed. doubling the speed reduces the force by half. excessive resitance forces can be overcome by slowing down.
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The locomotive manufacturers don't really decide how many cars an engine can pull, the railroads do that. Most railroads don't use tractive effort for day to day calculation of how much an engine can pull. They use formulas to decide how much tonnage a particular class of engine can pull on a particular territory. Sometimes its segments of a subdivision, sometimes entire regions.
They might decide that a GP7 is worth 1000 tons and an SD40 is worth 2200 tons. If they have a 7000 ton train they would assign 7 GP7's or 4 SD40's.
Commonly up until the 1970's or 1980's the railroad would have tonnage charts for each engine class on each portion of the railroad or would have some form of tonnage adjustment factor for each engine class and territory.
In the 1980's until even today, a popular method was horsepower per trailing ton (hptt). The trairoad would set hptt ratings for different types of trains on different territories. For example a bulk train on a territory would have a rating of .5 hptt, a manifest train 1 hptt, an intermodal train 2 hptt and a premium Z train 3 hptt. If a manifest rain was 8500 tons it would need 8500 hp, if a premium Z train was 3000 tons it would need 9000 hp. 3 SD40's could haul 18,000 tons of bulk, 9000 tons of manifest, or 4500 tons of intermodal.
Real general rule of thumb, you need about the ruling grade of hptt to make it up the hill. If the max grade on a route is 2%, then you need at least 2 hptt.
Later on some roads went to equivalent powered axles (EPA) The tractive effort of an SD40 was the baseline, with 6 powered axles and then other engines were set relaive to that. Engines with way more tractive effort got higher EPA ratings, for example a C44AC might be considered 10 powered axles. Then trains had a tons per powered axle (TPA) rating. If a C44AC is rated at 10 powered axles, and a 5000 ton train was rated at 250 tpa, then it needed 20 powered axles, which would mean 2 C44AC's (2@ 10 EPA = 20) or 4 SD40's (4 @ 6 EPA= 24).
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It's not how many cars. It's tonnage that can be pulled. Twenty cars of ping pong balls could equal one 100 ton coal hopper.
When some steam locomotives were upgraded they actually lost tractive effort. Most times the TE was gagged at speed. When the PRR fitted poppet valves to a K4s pacific it showed better economy in steam usage but a greater loss of adhesion. But when some were fitted with solid pilots instead of the slat pilot, the TE was greater because of the added weight. Even though it was not on the drivers.
Pete.
Thank you Sheldon for the great read. Worth every letter.
wrench567 Thank you Sheldon for the great read. Worth every letter. Pete.
You are most welcome, happy to share. Like any good engineering student, I paid attention when they said "you will not remember everything, you just need to remember what and where to look it up"
Sheldon