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  [quote user="BRAKIE"]You say nope but,then how does short lines manage to run 15 car trains with no FRED?[/quote] They do a brake test IAW the CFR.  The rule does not say that a FRED is required, only that it is an option.  The other option is an accurate guage installed for the brake test. [quote user="BRAKIE"]I have no answer other then what we did on the PRR [/quote] Possibly the CFRs have changed in the past 40years? Well here is the first part of the rules that was excerpted, which may explain what you observed: (a) At a location other than the <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="initial terminal" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=2333afa8608ba4f694310e9abc0bbbdf&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">initial terminal</a> of a <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="train" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=62648c3358a9e063149663e1c6db3900&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">train</a>, a Class II brake test shall be performed by a <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="qualified person" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=eb35419cd2775f17c14a17b6f1f4b982&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">qualified person</a>, as defined in <a style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;" title="§ 232.5" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/232.5">§ 232.5</a>, on the following equipment when added to a train: (1) Each car or <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="solid block of cars" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=47ed41ac909a8ce6271ff5a6a813703d&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">solid block of cars</a>, as defined in <a style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;" title="§ 232.5" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/232.5">§ 232.5</a>, that has not previously received a Class I brake test or that has been <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="off air" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=ad8e7f3641124ed6cff252570f5d3fd9&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">off air</a> for more than four hours; (2) Each <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="solid block of cars" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=47ed41ac909a8ce6271ff5a6a813703d&term_occur=2&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">solid block of cars</a>, as defined in <a style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;" title="§ 232.5" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/232.5">§ 232.5</a>, that is comprised of cars from more than one previous <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="train" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=62648c3358a9e063149663e1c6db3900&term_occur=2&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">train</a>; and (3) Except as provided in <a style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;" title="paragraph (a)(4)" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/232.209#a_4">paragraph (a)(4)</a> of this section, each <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="solid block of cars" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=47ed41ac909a8ce6271ff5a6a813703d&term_occur=3&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">solid block of cars</a> that is comprised of cars from only one previous <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="train" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=62648c3358a9e063149663e1c6db3900&term_occur=3&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">train</a>, the cars of which have not remained continuously and consecutively coupled together with the <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="train line" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=749091fbda687acccb1e1cd8ea12e52f&term_occur=1&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">train line</a> remaining connected since being removed from the previous <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="train" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=62648c3358a9e063149663e1c6db3900&term_occur=4&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">train</a>. A <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="solid block of cars" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=47ed41ac909a8ce6271ff5a6a813703d&term_occur=4&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">solid block of cars</a> is considered to have remained continuously and consecutively coupled together with the <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="train line" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=749091fbda687acccb1e1cd8ea12e52f&term_occur=2&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">train line</a> remaining connected since being removed from the previous <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="train" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=62648c3358a9e063149663e1c6db3900&term_occur=5&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">train</a> if it has been changed only by removing defective equipment. (4) Each <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="solid block of cars" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=47ed41ac909a8ce6271ff5a6a813703d&term_occur=5&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">solid block of cars</a> that is comprised of cars from a single previous <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="train" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=62648c3358a9e063149663e1c6db3900&term_occur=7&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">train</a>, the cars of which were required to be separated into multiple solid blocks of cars due to space or trackage constraints at a particular location when removed from the previous <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="train" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=62648c3358a9e063149663e1c6db3900&term_occur=8&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">train</a>, if they are not added in the same relative order as when removed from the previous <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="train" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=62648c3358a9e063149663e1c6db3900&term_occur=6&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">train</a> or if the cars in each of the multiple blocks of cars have not remained continuously and consecutively coupled together with the <a class="colorbox-load definedterm init-colorbox-load-processed cboxElement" style="background:0px 0px;color:#06357a;cursor:pointer;border-bottom:1px dotted;" title="train line" href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/index.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=749091fbda687acccb1e1cd8ea12e52f&term_occur=3&term_src=Title:49:Subtitle:B:Chapter:II:Part:232:Subpart:C:232.209">train line</a> remaining connected, except for the removal of defective equipment.
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