What are CarLine ends?

[SeeYou190]

I recently read about SOUTHERN PACIFIC rebuilding some USRA single sheathed boxcars into steel sided boxcars.

They used something called a "CarLine End" on these rebuilds.

I have not been able to find an image of these.

Is this a stamped steel car end style, like Murphy, or is it another name for opening doors on the end of the car for automobile loading?

Or... is it something else entirely?

Thanks.

-Kevin

["JaBear"]

https://patents.google.com/patent/US1161498

It would appear to be a "detail part", but in truth I’m not sure I’m much the wiser!

 

Cheers, the Bear. 

[doctorwayne]

A quick search yielded this (and it's probably not necessary to read the whole thing):

Be it known that I, GEORGE B. MALTBY, of Cleveland, in the county of Cuyahoga and State of Ohio, have invented a certain new and useful Improvement in Roof-Carlines, of which improvement the following is a specification.

My invention relates to sheet or plate metal roof-carlines of the general type which is exemplified in Letters Patent of the United States No. 649,171, granted and issued to me and to Broderick Haskell (as assignee of twothirds of the right) under date of May 8, 1900, and in Letters Patent of the United States No. 7 42,465, granted and issued to the Cleveland Car Specialty Company (as my assignee) under date of October 27, 1903. The object of my present invention is to provide a roof-carline which shall embody theadvantageous features of those set forth in Letters Patent Nos. 649,171 and 742,465, aforesaid, and which shall afford further improved facilities for attachment to a car-frame side plate and for the reception of a wood filler, if desired.

The improvement claimed is hereinafter fully set forth.

In the accompanying drawings, Figure 1 is a side view in elevation of slightly more than one-half in length of a roof-carline embodying my invention; Fig. 2, a plan or top view of the same portion thereof; Figs. 3 and 4, transverse sections on the lines a a and b b, respectively, of Fig. 1; Fig. 5, an end view in elevation; Fig. 6, a side view in elevation of slightly more than one-half in length of a roof-carline, illustrating a modification of structural detail; Fig. 7, a plan or top view of the same portion thereof; Figs. 8 and 9, transverse sections on the lines 0 c and (Z (Z, respectively, of Fig. 6; Fig. 10, an end viewv in elevation, and Fig. 11 a plan view of one of the end portions of a carline having its upper flange widened at and adjoining its ends.

Referring first to Figs. 1 to 5, inclusive, in the practice of my invention I provide a roof- Seiial No. 218,340. (No model.)

upper flange being at such an angle on each side of its middle portion as may be adapted to impart the desired pitch to the roof. The web is therefore subject to shearing strain, and the upper and lower flanges are respectively tension and compression members. As the flanges project from the web one directly above the other, they provide an intermediate space for receiving the end filling-blocks presently to be described and in which, if desired, a filling-strip of wood may be inserted and be secured by bolts to the web of the carline.

In order to provide suitable bearings for the ridge-pole and purlins of the roof, the metal of the web 1 and upper flange 1 is, as in the carline of Letters Patent No. 742,465, aforesaid, turned outwardly at the middle of the carline and at suitable distances therefrom between the middle and the ends, so as to form seats or pockets 6 of channel-section in which the ridge-pole and purlins are fitted and to which they are secured by bolts passing through perforations 8 in-the seats.

The carline is secured to the side plates 7 of the car-frame through cast-metal fillingblocks or spacers 11, which are fitted in the open spaces between the upper and lower flanges of the carline and are secured to said flanges by bolts orrivets 12. The fillingblocks are provided with downwardly-extending lips or flanges 11, which abut against the outer faces of the side plates, and the carlines are connected to the side plates by vertical bolts 13, which pass through the upper and lower flanges and the interposed filling-blocks and are provided with nuts 13 abutting on the bottoms of the side plates.

The carline shown in Figs. (5 to 11, inclusive, accords in all substantial particulars with that above described, its minor structural modifications being the following: The carline is straight on its under side-that is, it has no camber-and the web 1 is lightened and stiflened by cutting out a portion of its metal on each side of its middle, so as to provide openings 14, having flanges 14 around their edges. The filling-blocks 11 are, as in the instance first described, fitted in the space between the upper and lower flanges of the carlines, but are not riveted thereto, being in this case in the form of thimbles through which and through the flanges the bolts 13, which secure the carline to the side plates, are passed. As an additional connecting means brackets or angle-pieces 15 may be riveted to the lower flange 1, said brackets abutting against the inner faces of the side-plates and being secured thereto by horizontal bolts 16.

As shown in Fig. 11, the upper flange 1 may, if desired, be widened at and adjoining the ends of the web and be thence tapered inwardly to its normal width. The upper flange is in this case turned to form downwardly-extending lips l at its ends, which lips abut against the outer faces of the side plates and are secured thereto by horizontal bolts 17. The carline is also connected to the side plates by vertical bolts 13, passing through the filling-blocks, as before described, and may be further secured by supplemental vertical bolts 13, passing through the widened portions of the flanges and through the side plates.

In addition to the advantages of strength, lightness, and facility of application in ordinary car-"framing which are possessed by the carlines of the Letters Patent hereinbefore re ferred to my presentinvention embodies those of capability of manufacture at reduced cost, greater vertical stiffness and strength for the same amount of material, and improved facilities for the connectionof the carline to the side plates.

I claim as my invention, and desire to secure by Letters Patent- 1. A sheet or plate metal roof-carline having an integral body of channel-section, comprising a vertical web which gradually diminishes in depth from its middle toward its ends, and upper and lower lateral flanges projecting from the same side of the web and presenting an intermediate open space adapted to receive connecting members at its ends.

2. A sheet or plate metal roof-carline having an integral body of channel-section, comprising a vertical web which gradually diminishes in depth from its middle toward its ends, upper and lower lateral flanges projecting from the same side of the web and presenting an intermediate open space adapted to receive connecting members at its ends, and downwardly-turned lips on the ends of the upper lateral flange.

3. A sheet or plate metal roof-carline having an integral body of channel-section comprising a vertical web which gradually diminishes in depth from its middle toward its ends, upper and lower lateral flanges projecting from the same side of the web and presenting an intermediate open space adapted to receive connecting members at its ends, the upper lateral flange being outwardly extended, at and near its ends, to a greater width than at its middle portion and thence tapering inwardly, and downwardly-turned lips on the ends of the upper lateral flange.

4:. A sheet or plate metal roof-carline having an integral body of channel-section, comprising a vertical web which gradually diminishes in depth from its middle toward its ends and has longitudinal flanged openings in its body and upper and lower lateral flanges projecting from the same side of the web and presenting an intermediate open space adapted to receive connecting members at its ends.

5. A sheet or plate metal roof-carline having an integral body of channel-section, comprising a vertical web which gradually diminishes in depth from its middle toward its ends, upper and lower lateral flanges projecting from the same side of the web and presenting an intermediate open space adapted to receive connecting members at its ends, and laterallyprojecting seats or pockets, of channel-section, formed in the web and upper flange.

6. The combination of a sheet or plate metal roof-carline having an integral body of channel-section, comprising a vertical web which gradually diminishes in depth from its middle to its ends and upper and lower lateral flanges projecting from the same side of the web, filling-blocks fitting in the space between the flanges, at the ends of the carline, car-frame side plates, and connectingbolts passing through the flanges, filling-blocks, and side plates.

7. The combination of a sheet or plate metal roof-carline having an integral body of channel-section comprising a vertical web which gradually diminishes in depth from its middle to its ends and upper and lower lateral flanges projecting from the same side of the web, carframe side plates, filling-blocks fitting in the space between the flanges, at the ends of the carline, and having depending flanges abutting against the side plates, and connectingbolts passing through the flanges, fillingblocks, and side plates.

8. The combination of asheet or plate metal the side plates, horizontal connectingbolts roof-carline having an integral body of chanpassing through said brackets and through nel-section comprising a vertical Web which the side plates, and vertical connecting-bolts gradually diminishes in depth from its middle passing-through the flanges, filling-blocks, and

5 to its ends and upper and louierlatilaralflang fis side plates.

projecting from t 1e same sic e of tie web, w i ling-blocks fitting in the space between the GEORGE MALIBY' flanges, at the ends of the carline, car-frame Witnesses: side plates, brackets secured to the lower lat- W. S. BIDLE, IO eral flange of the carline and abutting against F. C. TEGTMILLER.

 

 

Wayne

[mvlandsw]

Carlines are the ribs that run from one side of a car to the other to support the roof. Carline Ends seem to be the piece used to attach the ribs to the car side. They would probably not be visible on the exterior of the car.

Mark

[SeeYou190]

mvlandsw

Carline Ends seem to be the piece used to attach the ribs to the car side. They would probably not be visible on the exterior of the car.

Thanks for that. 

It makes sense that they would not be mentioned as a detail on a model then.

I still can't tell a "W" corner post from a square style either. I have kits that specify they are one of the other, but they look the same to me.

-Kevin

[cv_acr]

SeeYou190

I still can't tell a "W" corner post from a square style either. I have kits that specify they are one of the other, but they look the same to me.

One is more rounded than the other.

With the "W" corner post, there is basically a "notch" at the corner of the car that allows the corner of the end stamping to curve through the corner.

With the "sqaure" post, well, the corner of the end has to be square.

[gmpullman]

Carline_1953 by Edmund, on Flickr

Carline_1940 by Edmund, on Flickr

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Sometimes the AAR "W" corner post is there but likes to hide —

Corner_Post by Edmund, on Flickr

Regards, Ed

[SeeYou190]

Thanks Ed.

It sounds like the differences between a CarLine End and other types are internal and not on a model. That helps a lot.

In the bottom images it looks like the "W" corner is shown in yellow. This also looks like an internal detail.

As Chris stated, the end might be more curved, but I sure can't tell in 1/87 scale from 6 inches away.

-Kevin

[gmpullman]

SeeYou190

In the bottom images it looks like the "W" corner is shown in yellow. This also looks like an internal detail.

Yes, I highlited the W-section detail.

There were many earlier house car designs that incorporated various methods of joining the sides to the ends. The wrap-around "Dreadnaught" design seems to have been favored for many years. Later designs used a "non-terminating" corrugated end.

ACF 1970s091 by John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, on Flickr

Dozens of carbuilders and many railroads had their own idea as to what was a "good design" and the ARA and later AAR got into testing and standardizing freight car designs.

3500006 by John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, on Flickr

One advantage to pressed steel roof panels is that the "car lines" were eliminated and construction costs reduced.

8941 001 by John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, on Flickr

Lots of pesky parts eliminated:

ACF Lot 6195 005 by John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, on Flickr

4386001 by John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, on Flickr

Many roads rebuilt the USRA box cars. Some carbuilders supplied complete sides that the shops could quickly apply and get more useful years out of a car. The NYC among others even stretched them to fifty feet in some cases.

5114002 by John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, on Flickr

Box car kits for the roads that didn't like RTR:

5114005 by John W. Barriger III National Railroad Library, on Flickr

Good Luck, Ed