Yet another one for my Forum friends. Was this scheme (http://www.ebay.com/itm/185370801422?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649) a real one or is it a foobie? The area (which just happens to be my home area as well) and timeframe that I model had a Peavey facility and this car caught my attention. As it is a lease car and the schemes change so often, I haven't been able to confirm it with any my online resources.
Thank you as usual for any assistance that can be provided.
Under new owners:
Regards, Ed
From what I recall that os a legitimate paint scheme however the ones I saw were much more faded and weathered. That uis a rather garish paint scheme without toning it down in my opinion.
The car in question has been purchased. For the era I model I will leave the car as is because the new date on the car is in the era I model.
Thank you for all the assistance.
FRRYKid The car in question has been purchased.
The car in question has been purchased.
If you wanted you could give it a light dusting with weathering powders to knock the sheen off it.
Having said that it is nice to see items 'straight out of the workshops'.
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If we're talking about Peavey, it was a very real grain company here in Minnesota. It became part of ConAgra in the 1970s.
http://www.peaveycorp.com/history1.html
wjstix If we're talking about Peavey, it was a very real grain company here in Minnesota. It became part of ConAgra in the 1970s. http://www.peaveycorp.com/history1.html
No I knew Peavey existed as it was here as well. I was wondering on the car not the company.
FRRYKid,
I don't know much about the car you bought but, I can shed a little light on the prototype vs. models.
First off, all except for one, models of the later, boxcar-like Airslide covered hoppers are models of the 4180 cubic foot car. The only HO scale models to deviate from the 4180, was an offering by Scale-Trains, a few years ago. These non-4180s were accuratley modeled after General American's later 4566 cu. ft. cars. The difference in height between the two versions of the same car is obvious with the 4180 standing 14' 5 9/16" while the 4566 comes in at 15' 3 1/16" over extreme height, for a difference of almost nine inches. All other dimensions are the same for both cars.
Now, for your question about the paint scheme being a foobie. That depends on how you look at the prototypes. If your car is painted for Peavey, numbered in the 56000s, and made by anyone other than Scale-Trains--it's a foobie. GACX 56000 and beyond are all 4566 cars. There were no 4180 cf cars in the 56000s. Additionally, the 56000s were first built in September of 1980. Be careful judging equipment accuracy by "new" dates. Depending on car type, freight cars must reweighed at specified intervals and the "new" date and shop or railroad performing the work replaces the "new". Thus a forty year old car could have yesterday's date and a jumble of letters in this location and, be completely legit.
NHTXBe careful judging equipment accuracy by "new" dates. Depending on car type, freight cars must reweighed at specified intervals and the "new" date and shop or railroad performing the work replaces the "new". Thus a forty year old car could have yesterday's date and a jumble of letters in this location and, be completely legit.
Yeah but to be clear (you clearly do understand this but the wording could be a little unclear to someone who doesn't) when reweighed it no longer says "NEW". "NEW" is replaced by the shop code. So it if says "NEW 4-78" it was built in 1978.
If it says something like "CN 4-78" it was re-weighed in 1978 and built sometime earlier.
These dates may or may not align with when the car was painted. (Cars can be reweighed without repainting, and I've seen freshly repainted cars with older "NEW" dates because they didn't need re-weighing/updating of the weight data.)
gmpullman Under new owners: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-p/pvgx2097ak.jpg Regards, Ed
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-p/pvgx2097ak.jpg
Same company's paint scheme, but not at all the same type of car as in the OP's question/post.
cv_acrSame company's paint scheme, but not at all the same type of car as in the OP's question/post.
FRRYKidWas this scheme ... a real one or is it a foobie?
The OP was asking about the "scheme" and used the airslide car as an example.
I guess I should have given more consideration to this before posting.
Won't make that mistake again...
NHTX FRRYKid, I don't know much about the car you bought but, I can shed a little light on the prototype vs. models. First off, all except for one, models of the later, boxcar-like Airslide covered hoppers are models of the 4180 cubic foot car. The only HO scale models to deviate from the 4180, was an offering by Scale-Trains, a few years ago. These non-4180s were accuratley modeled after General American's later 4566 cu. ft. cars. The difference in height between the two versions of the same car is obvious with the 4180 standing 14' 5 9/16" while the 4566 comes in at 15' 3 1/16" over extreme height, for a difference of almost nine inches. All other dimensions are the same for both cars. Now, for your question about the paint scheme being a foobie. That depends on how you look at the prototypes. If your car is painted for Peavey, numbered in the 56000s, and made by anyone other than Scale-Trains--it's a foobie. GACX 56000 and beyond are all 4566 cars. There were no 4180 cf cars in the 56000s. Additionally, the 56000s were first built in September of 1980.
Now, for your question about the paint scheme being a foobie. That depends on how you look at the prototypes. If your car is painted for Peavey, numbered in the 56000s, and made by anyone other than Scale-Trains--it's a foobie. GACX 56000 and beyond are all 4566 cars. There were no 4180 cf cars in the 56000s. Additionally, the 56000s were first built in September of 1980.
As this is a Walthers car in the 561xxx series, it is a foobie. Now the next question, were there any Peavey lettered cars that were the 4180 cu ft ones? I have renumbered many a car over the years.
FRRYKid;
The 4180 cf cars production run totalled 5090 cars constructed between 3-62 and 10-80. My information source, "A History of the General American Airslide and Other Covered Hopper Cars", by Eric A. Neubauer, as Freight Cars Journal Monograph No.9, ISSN 0884-027X, published in 1989, lists many of the lessors at the time of publication. Due to the 4180s listed under the GACX reporting marks, with numbers starting at 56000, by the time of publication, the ConAgra takeover of Peavey Grain had faded into history and, some of the 4180s were on their fourth or fifth lease. Tracking those cars leased to Peavey under the GACX banner would be a pointless task. Cars known to be leased to Peavey at one time or another included GACX 46290-46305 (16 cars), and GACX 47646-47647 (2 cars). As loadings fluctuated, cars moved into and out of the lease fleets and, like so many other lessees, Peavey leased Airslides of various sizes and vintages. If I were to model a Peavey GACX 4180, I would look for photographs of cars within the 45185-48569 number range. Good luck.
NHTX Cars known to be leased to Peavey at one time or another included GACX 46290-46305 (16 cars), and GACX 47646-47647 (2 cars).
Cars known to be leased to Peavey at one time or another included GACX 46290-46305 (16 cars), and GACX 47646-47647 (2 cars).
I have found a modern picture of 290 so I at least have an idea of weights and such.
Now the next problem: HO decals for road number and new date.. Anybody got any ideas?
The only HO scale Peavey Grain covered hopper decal set that I am aware of is /was made by Herald King Decals for a blue, rib-sided, 4750 cu. ft. car as Herald King's set PR-121. It should work on an Airslide 4180. HK decals might also be available on e-Bay, as well as direct. The new/reweigh date and shop code may be any color, if the work was done by other than General American.
NHTX FRRYKid; The only HO scale Peavey Grain covered hopper decal set that I am aware of is /was made by Herald King Decals for a blue, rib-sided, 4750 cu. ft. car as Herald King's set PR-121. It should work on an Airslide 4180. HK decals might also be available on e-Bay, as well as direct. The new/reweigh date and shop code may be any color, if the work was done by other than General American.
I tried looking at the HK site via a link I had and that set is listed as out of stock. I also checked eBay with the same result. What I was more wondering was if the font that was used for the roadname/road number could be matched to a generic letter/number set and go from there. I would think that they had a standard font for roadnames/road numbers.
There are many firms selling letter and number decals and you have the car. What is closest, is a call you will have to make. As always, the suppliers category on the Great Decals website is where my search would begin. Also, weathering can make necessary compromises a lot easier to live with.
This should help the problem: https://photos.app.goo.gl/sHdURJSkSB9CnV8A7
It appears to me that the only thing that needs changed is the road number.
Finding even a close approximation of that font, size, and color is going to be a major crapshoot. Highball Graphics has a set identified as Eurostyle in red that looks close and might be available in a variety of sizes as their EURO-1R. As stated earlier, the degree of compromise that is acceptable is a decision only you can make
Eurostyle was where I was leaning as well. I lettered a tank car recently and the sheet had that style on it. I've reached out to an eBay seller that does GACX tank car decals that says he does custom work as well.
Yet another question on the car itself. Which way do the hatches covers go? The instructions are useless on that point. (Of course the car appears to have been manufactured in the late 80s.) I haven't seen a good overhead shot on these cars.
Since your car is a kit and at one time I had some of the Walthers cars, if I remember correctly the hatches had "D" shaped mounting pins and would only mount one way. Unfortunately, this is another example of our woefully deficient model railroad press.
Investigating numerous photos of cars in the GACX 56000 series on George Elwood's www.rr-fallenflags.org website and, a Tangent 4180, reveals the hatches are mounted with the the hinges closest to the lower edge of the roof.
Are you looking for instructions for the Walthers 2-bay Airslide?
Go here: https://hoseeker.net/walthers.html
Go where it says "diagrams".
Scroll down to where it says "3650 Airslide Hopper"
NHTX FRRYKid; Since your car is a kit and at one time I had some of the Walthers cars, if I remember correctly the hatches had "D" shaped mounting pins and would only mount one way.
Since your car is a kit and at one time I had some of the Walthers cars, if I remember correctly the hatches had "D" shaped mounting pins and would only mount one way.
I must have been half asleep when I looked at them last night. Now that I look at them I see the D shape. I saw round when I looked previously.