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[quote user="taildisk"] I have used a couple for questions in"Google" but cannot get an answer for the above question.  I model the period 1949 to 1975 so it is quite likely that they started in this time frame. Some-one who has (or is) worked in the industry could possibly have the answer. Thanks in advance Rob [/quote] Rob, Check out the 2015 NMRA Convention clinics here: <a href="http://nmra2015.sbcrailway.ca/clinic-presentations">http://nmra2015.sbcrailway.ca/clinic-presentations</a> Under Deis, Paul you should find all you need. Andrew
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