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GG1 look alike (With a pair of 3 axle bogies???) "Ft.Tyco Shorty GG1"

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GG1 look alike (With a pair of 3 axle bogies???) "Ft.Tyco Shorty GG1"
Posted by Safety Valve on Friday, December 20, 2019 9:24 PM

Hello I haven't posted in what felt like ages! I have a Shorty GG1 Model I bought at a Train show for $5 and its in pretty good condition, doesn't really run but I have contacts who can get it runnin.... I've been pondering if a protoype like it actually exists in real life and they may be calling it a GG1 to sell more? sure maybe not a mass prouced model that was widly distibuted in actual practice but it would be highly appriciated to get to the bottom of this! Wink "Peace and Love, Peace and Love" -Max 

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Posted by Enzoamps on Friday, December 20, 2019 9:42 PM

Post a photo.

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, December 20, 2019 10:45 PM

That Tyco GG1 is a completely made up thing. Not sure what the exact origin of the shell is, it's a shortened form of a GG1, but then they put it on their 6 axle Alco chassis which is like nothing that ever existed. That model came rather later in Tyco's life as they were doing anything and everything t see if they could get people to buy, including making the stuff even lower and lower quality to keep it cheap. Kind of like how the Chatanooga Choo Choo loco started out as a 2-8-2, then it was a 2-8-0, and finally an 0-8-, where, since the boiler shell and so forth was all the same, they just took off the lead and trailing trucks, it was all out of proportion. Of course, at the time, they were owned by a big food conglomerate, who knew NOTHING about the hobby of model trains, and it showed.

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Posted by xdford on Saturday, December 21, 2019 4:13 AM

Hi there,

 

Just wondering if it could be converted to a could have been similar to the PRR R1 electric  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Railroad_class_R1 or a P5 with the body dimensions etc? Just a thought!

Cheers from Australia and Merry Xmas,

Trevor

 

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Posted by dknelson on Saturday, December 21, 2019 11:43 AM

Probably the best use for this $5 find is to totally weather and cut up the shell and make it a gondola load from the era when the GG1s were being scrapped in large quantities.  

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Saturday, December 21, 2019 8:47 PM

I do not have a picture, but over 20 years ago a modeller here in town put a Tyco GG1 shell on an Overland Drive and made it into a bizarre diesel locomotive.

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It had fans on the hood ends and intake grilles below.

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It ran great, but looked too weird, even for me.

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-Kevin

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, December 22, 2019 10:24 PM

xdford
Just wondering if it could be converted to [something] similar to the PRR R1 electric  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_Railroad_class_R1 or a P5 with the body dimensions etc?  Just a thought!

Neither of those is particularly similar to the Tyco shell contours except in general vague similarity.  Both the R1 and the P5a 'modifieds' had noses much more like the original Dohner nose on the prototype GG1 ("Rivets" 4899/4800) and to use the Tyco shell you'd have to overlay styrene bent to the right contours with added rivet detail to get the distinctive contours.  Of course the side detail is all wrong for the R1 and I suspect the length is all wrong for the "P5am" so more cutting and pasting; the entire underframe would either have to be scratchbuilt or made via some kind of 3D printing.

The DD2, and presumably the whole family that would have been built for the Pittsburgh electrification in the 1943 plan and, by extension, the first-generation V1 mechanical steam turbine, have details that don't remotely approximate the contours of the Tyco shell.

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, December 22, 2019 11:15 PM

dknelson
Probably the best use for this $5 find is to totally weather and cut up the shell and make it a gondola load from the era when the GG1s were being scrapped in large quantities.

And then kitbash an E44 shell for the tri-mount chassis to use to pull it...

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, December 22, 2019 11:17 PM

dknelson
Probably the best use for this $5 find is to totally weather and cut up the shell and make it a gondola load from the era when the GG1s were being scrapped in large quantities.

And then kitbash an E44 shell for the tri-mount chassis to use to pull it...  I have never quite understood why Tyco didn't at least try that as a 'prototype' even if some of the details were off..

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