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Bethlahem Steel Hoppers
Posted by Motley on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 4:01 PM

Why are these hoppers named Bethlahem Steel? Were these used/owned by the mill?

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Posted by NHTX on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 4:09 PM

     They could have been built by Bethlehem, or as you suggest, owned by them.  With no picture or relevant info such as reporting marks and number, there no way to determine which.

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 5:09 PM

Assuming you are talking about the Tangent Bethlehem Steel hoppers:

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/bethlehem-quad-hopper/

That's because the prototype hoppers were manufactured by Bethlehem Steel.

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Posted by ATSFGuy on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:11 PM

Did those hoppers ever venture west, or were they used primarly in the Northeast?

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Posted by dti406 on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:32 PM

Since the UP owned a slew of them, I would guess they ventured west!

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 6:38 PM

ATSFGuy
Did those hoppers ever venture west, or were thry used primarly in the Northeast?

The question is backwards, since the primary owner was the UP.   Did they ever venture northeast, or were they primarily used in the west?    Some of them went east.

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Posted by Motley on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:20 PM

Ohh nice! Glad to hear they were made by Bethlahem Steel. Because I just decided (last night) to build an additional layout in another room next to the main room.

And I want to model Bethlhem Steel Mill. Yes I was referring to Tangent scale model hoppers. Looks like I will be purchasing a bunch of those now.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Thursday, September 12, 2019 9:16 AM

Bethlehem Steel wasn't just one mill in Bethlehem PA 

They were the largest ship builder and second largest steel producer.  They produced naval artillery, liberty ships, the golden gate bridge and railcars for nearly 70 years. 

 

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Posted by Motley on Thursday, September 12, 2019 9:34 AM

BigDaddy

Bethlehem Steel wasn't just one mill in Bethlehem PA 

They were the largest ship builder and second largest steel producer.  They produced naval artillery, liberty ships, the golden gate bridge and railcars for nearly 70 years. 

 

 

 
Ya that is incredible what they did. I've been watching a bunch of youtube videos on Bethlahem. Just too bad they went bankrupt in 1996.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Thursday, September 12, 2019 9:51 AM

ATSFGuy

Did those hoppers ever venture west, or were they used primarly in the Northeast?

The D&RGW purchased 2795 Bethlehem 100 ton 12 panel quad hoppers between 1964 and 1982, referred to sometimes as "the great steel fleet".

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Posted by dti406 on Thursday, September 12, 2019 10:10 AM

dehusman

 

 
ATSFGuy
Did those hoppers ever venture west, or were thry used primarly in the Northeast?

 

The question is backwards, since the primary owner was the UP.   Did they ever venture northeast, or were they primarily used in the west?    Some of them went east.

 

The DT&I had some of them for hauling coke from Ironton to McClouth Steel in Dearborn, only had them for a few years until the south end of the DT&I was abandoned after the GT takeover.

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Posted by Lazers on Thursday, September 12, 2019 1:16 PM

Hi, finding-out all this info' is interesting. At a recent (UK) Model Railway Ex, I picked-up some Bachmann HO 'Silver-Seal' 3-Bay Bethlehem 100T. Open Hoppers, boxed and in new, unused condition, for £8.0 (@10.0$) each.

I presumed they were for the Beth Steel Corp', the one I knew of was along Lake Michigan So'-Shore, but noted the UP, N&S and Wheeling & Lake Erie decals, so I did wonder.

There is not much proto-info on the Bachmann site and the above link to the Tangent web-site is more informative albeit re 4-Bay Hoppers.

But this post suggests the need for a Model/Prototype cross-reference list, as was mentioned in a recent post by xsvtoys.

Knowing the Era, build run dates and the dates the stock were taken out of general service would at least serve to inform me that my freight cars are long out-of-date for my layout. Sorry to go a bit off-topic of this post - but thanks for the info', regards, Paul

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Posted by dehusman on Thursday, September 12, 2019 2:11 PM

Most of the steel mills the DRGW serviced were CF&I, rather than Bethlehem.

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Posted by drciesel on Thursday, September 12, 2019 7:36 PM
Actually, there is quite a bit of information available on 100 ton hoppers, Bethlehem or other built.  Jim Eager authored several very useful articles back in the mid-1990’s in the (now defunct) Rail Model Journal. These may be found in the archives preserved by TrainLife.com.
With respect to the Bachmann Silver Series 100 ton cars, here is some information that I have aggregated:
Bachmann Silver Series
Bethlehem 45ft 100 ton 12-panel Triple (30° or “straight” slope sheet)
 
Model Dimensions
Inside length: 44' 5"
Outside length over corners: 45' 9"
Coupled length: 48' 1"
Height above rails: 11' 10"
Width: 10' 7"
Bolster centers: 36' 2"
 
Reading HTG #483501-484600 45’ 3487cf (has top chord reinforcing angle iron)
C&I #1270-1319
C&O class H-64
N&W Roanoke-Built H12/H12A (s
lightly longer cars at 46-4 IL) 3570cf
            138001-141525 H-12
142001-142308 H-12
142309-143982 H-12A
 
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Posted by BroadwayLion on Friday, September 13, 2019 10:32 AM

I know that it is your railroad, and you make the rules and all of that, but the last time I looked Bethlehem was not spelled with an 'a'.

 

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Posted by dehusman on Friday, September 13, 2019 10:40 AM

drciesel
N&W Roanoke-Built H12/H12A (slightly longer cars at 46-4 IL) 3570cf

138001-141525 H-12

142001-142308 H-12

142309-143982 H-12A

Ironically, the N&W cars may actually be more appropriate for the DRGW in the west.  I saw several unit trains of N&W cars going to the CF&I plant at Provo on the DRGW. 

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Posted by Lazers on Friday, September 13, 2019 2:32 PM

Hi, Thanks again for this info' and I hope that post originator 'Motley' is finding it useful too.

Does anyone know if any of these Hoppers are still in use today? I realise that given the vastness of USA Railroads, it could be an infinite question. Thanks, Paul

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Posted by Motley on Friday, September 13, 2019 5:33 PM

Yes I am loving all this info on these cars. And the fact that D&RGW was using these, and the fact that I am looking for D&RGW equipment.

I also just learned today that Walthers is releasing Railgon Gondola cars for the new Steel Series in D&RGW. Albeit no expected until 6/2020 I just have to wait I guess.

I'm very excited to start building a model of Bethehem Steel, year will be 1995 just before they closed.

I'm now looking for advice on which deisel locomotives (besides just switchers) during 1995 that would be servicing Bethlehem. Note that I will be using these back and forth on my main layout which is Colorado 1989-Present. If these prototype locomotives were never used in Colorado thats ok.

Lion I spelled it right? lol

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