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Hate to be the curmudgeon
Posted by ndbprr on Friday, May 10, 2019 6:18 PM

Got my June MR and noticed two picture captions that have eroneous information. The picture on p. 38 & 39 say's the S4 is pulling  loaded bottle cars to the rolling mill. What a rolling mill would do with molten iron is beyond comprehension. They would be taken to a melt shop for conversion into steel.

The second error is on p. 40 where it say's the gondolas are full of finished coils. Finished coils would never be moved outside or shipped in open gondolas.

Been waiting for someone to comment but guess I will be the bad guy and mention it.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Friday, May 10, 2019 8:45 PM

ndbprr
Finished coils would never be moved outside or shipped in open gondolas.

  One would think so, but what is this?

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Posted by mbinsewi on Friday, May 10, 2019 9:29 PM

ndbprr
The second error is on p. 40 where it say's the gondolas are full of finished coils. Finished coils would never be moved outside or shipped in open gondolas.

Yea, well I see planty of open gondolas on the NS on a daily basis, with coils, no covers, watching web cams, along with coil cars, made for coils, with covers, but none used.

From what I've learned, the coil, and protective cover, depends on the type of steel it's made from, and it's end purpose.

The steel from coils that gets dipped before the manufacturing process, of what ever it's going to be, doesn't  have to be covered.

If you want to "nit pick" I guess it's your preogative.

I don't know about the bottle cars, but I do know what I see, watching live train cams.

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Posted by ndbprr on Saturday, May 11, 2019 7:40 AM

You are correct that coils needing further processing are shipped open to the atmosphere. They are usually hot rolled coils also called green coils or hot bands.  Coils ready for shipment to the end user that have been pickled, cold rolled, annealed and temper rolled are called finished coils. They would be wrapped in water proof heavy paper for open shipping or shiped in a closed car. Note that the coils in the picture you showed are gray not shiny indicating they are prepickled and not finished. Finished has a strict definition in the industry in which I spent 40 years.

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Posted by NittanyLion on Saturday, May 11, 2019 10:55 AM

There were also enormous clear plastic bags they'd wrap them in.  Growing up, my neighbor was a senior employee at the rolling mill in town and would pilfer a couple bags every fall.  You could get a whole yard's worth of leaves in one.

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Posted by wp8thsub on Saturday, May 11, 2019 6:55 PM

*EDIT* Nevermind.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Saturday, May 11, 2019 9:08 PM

ndbprr
. Finished has a strict definition in the industry in which I spent 40 years.

Well, if your really disturbed by this, maybe you should send a letter to MR., so I can read about it,  a few issues down the road.  Indifferent I just thought it was a cool write-up about a nice looking switching lay out.  I know nothing about the operations of a steel mill.

I respect your 40 yrs., as I was the same in the construction industry.

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Posted by dehusman on Sunday, May 12, 2019 7:58 AM

If you want to find errors in the latest MR, you need not go deeper than the cover.  The signal on the cover is totally nonsensical.  Two red lights in the same head, all the lights lit in the same head and the yellow top light in one head.  On the other hand, many modelers take great liberties with signals, it just that this one funkier than most. 

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Posted by dehusman on Sunday, May 12, 2019 8:03 AM

PS:  If you "hate" to be a curmugeon, then you aren't one.  

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, May 13, 2019 9:29 AM

It can be difficult to track down a mistake like the OP mentions - it could be the owner of the layout supplied incorrect information, either in the information sent to the magazine if they wrote the story, or to the writer of the story if someone else did it...or it could have been the result of an error by an editor adding a caption in preparing the article for publication.

My big bug-a-boo is with obvious typos or incorrect words in articles (which I see more in RMC than MR by the way) where it's clear the only 'editing' the article got was someone running it through spellcheck, which can make sure the word is spelled correctly, but can't tell you if it's the correct word. I've done a fair amount of proofreading and editing over the years, enough to know you actually have to read the whole piece slowly and carefully to be sure it's all OK.

As far as being a curmudgeon, I kinda like it myself. Especially as I've gotten older, I find...oh, excuse me a minute... HEY YOU KIDS!! GET OFF OF MY LAWN!!

 

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Posted by BRAKIE on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 7:32 AM

dehusman
Two red lights in the same head,

That I have seen on the prototype including two reds on the lower mast head beyond that I agree with your observations.

When the signal has 4 reds that simply means nothing coming or the coming train is facing a red block.The one here on the NS the lower mast governs the deverging route from the Sandusky line to Crestline line.Once across the CSX Crestline diamond then it becomes the Pittsburgh line.

NS has trackage rights over GWI's CF&E  Crestline line to get to NS Pittsburgh line.

 

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Posted by kasskaboose on Thursday, May 16, 2019 1:11 PM

There are those who read the magazines and others who want to find mitakes.  All are welcome.  The same can get applied to moviegoers.

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Posted by dehusman on Thursday, May 16, 2019 1:42 PM

kasskaboose
There are those who read the magazines and others who want to find mitakes.

On the other hand, I have participated in threads where somebody starts using a picture or an article to build something, then finds out it doesn't jive with how other stuff works and has to go back and fix stuff to make other stuff work out or has to make up another layer of stuff so other things work.  Sometimes its simpler to get it right the first time.

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Posted by maxman on Thursday, May 16, 2019 2:36 PM

wjstix
HEY YOU KIDS!! GET OFF OF MY LAWN!!

 

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Posted by wjstix on Thursday, May 16, 2019 4:32 PM

maxman
 
wjstix
HEY YOU KIDS!! GET OFF OF MY LAWN!!

 

 

 

 
Are you trying to get my goat?
 
Wink
 
Several local cities / counties hire goats to 'mow' the grass in some areas. I've seen them a few times going to or from work.
 
 
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Posted by joe323 on Sunday, May 19, 2019 10:47 AM

wjstix

 

 
maxman
 
wjstix
HEY YOU KIDS!! GET OFF OF MY LAWN!!

 

 

 

 

 
Are you trying to get my goat?
 
Wink
 
Several local cities / counties hire goats to 'mow' the grass in some areas. I've seen them a few times going to or from work.
 
 
 

Yes here on Staten Island they are used to mow the weeds around the Verrazano Bridge 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Tuesday, May 21, 2019 11:25 AM

Down here in Florida I frequently see steel coils being shipped in the open. They must be finished, we don't have a steel industry down here.

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Sorry, no pictures.

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-Kevin

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