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DM&IR Yellowstone paint colors

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DM&IR Yellowstone paint colors
Posted by Lewis A. Clark on Friday, December 28, 2018 9:51 PM

I am lookling to rework an AHM Big Boy I have recently acquired into a DM&IR Yellowstone. What paints would work best to duplicate the "Russian Iron" gray boiler jacket seen in color photographs. I prefer Scalecoat II, but if another brand in more accurate then so be it. Any suggestions would be welcomed.Image result for dm&ir yellowstone paint scheme

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:15 PM

Welcome.  I guess eveyone missed your post!  Lots of steam guys on here, someone will see this and help you out.

Russian iron, I had to search and check it out.  Starts out as a smooth shiny black finish that doesn't chip or crack when it's bent.

Seems like it was a big favorite here in the US for steam engine boilers.

Looks like the locomotive in your picture might just be a bit faded.

See if this link works, it's a discussion about russian iron from 2007

http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/107697.aspx

If not, maybe copy and paste.

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Posted by gmpullman on Tuesday, January 15, 2019 4:30 PM

Hello, Mr. Clark Welcome

I had been following threads by member Antonio FP45 here and on other forums regarding his techniques with a product called Alclad 2.

I took the plunge about a year ago as I had some HO passenger cars that I wanted to apply as close to a stainless steel finish as possible.

If you have basic airbrushing skills you can use Alclad and get good results. My first trial with the process resulted in a too dark finish for my taste, but this would probably have been perfect for your Russian metal.

 Kato_fix by Edmund, on Flickr

 

I used too dark of an undercoat (Scalecoat NYC Dark Gray) and I used "Stainless Steel" Alclad but should have used chrome. I stripped it and re-shot it with a lighter base coat and the chrome Alclad.

The Alclad must be sealed with their clear coat. In my case I was applying decals and I wanted a clean passenger car look but you might want to use a slightly flatter clear coat.

 IMG_9808_fix2 by Edmund, on Flickr

 IMG_9927_fix by Edmund, on Flickr

The pigments used in the Alclad are very fine and produce an excellent metallic finish.

http://alclad2.com/

 Here's a Kadee PS-1 that I'm painting to represent one of ten aluminum express cars the Nickel Plate Road had:

 NKP_Express2 by Edmund, on Flickr

This is the Scalecoat 2 NYC light gray base coat.

And after the Alclad 2:

 NKP_Express4 by Edmund, on Flickr

Good Luck, Ed

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Posted by oldline1 on Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:21 PM

I believe the DM&IR merely painted the boiler jackets gray on the Yellowstones and some other engines. I'm pretty certain they weren't Russia Iron.

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Posted by OT Dean on Thursday, January 17, 2019 1:16 AM

oldline1

I believe the DM&IR merely painted the boiler jackets gray on the Yellowstones and some other engines. I'm pretty certain they weren't Russia Iron.

oldline1

 

I think you're right.  I've visited the one they have in the Lake Superior Railroad Museum and it does seem to be paint.  Actual Russia Iron boiler jackets ranged anywhere from a bluish silver, as on the B&O's locos, Back When, to a rich, deep blue as seen in my Paul Detlefsen print of a gaudy 4-4-0 coming round the mountain's shoulder (if you look it up on the internet, you'll see what I mean; what a beauty!)  Now all he needs is for someone in the know to name the paint for him.  Have fun!

Deano

Re-edit: I'm watching the annual Barrett-Jackson Collector Car Auction from Scottsdale, AZ, and was just reminded of a reply from a model railroading guru regarding a color match for Russia Iron for boiler jackets.  As I said above, apparently, the color varied, depending on the process used, from a silvery color to a beautiful blue, and this expert replied to the query in MR, way back when.  According to him, a readily available (back then!) auto color, VW "Polar Silver Blue," was a dead match for the most common silvery Russia Iron.  I didn't mention this when I wrote this reply, since there's been so much water under the bridges over the Mittelland Canal at Wolfsburg, Germany, since that time.  A Porsche 911 just went across the block in "Polar Silver" paint, and I can see how much it resembles the boiler jackets of the B&O locos of the 1890-1910 era!  Due to the Volkswagen/Porsche connections, this is probably the same color.  Just thought I'd toss that out there for whatever it's worth.  OTD

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Posted by wjstix on Friday, January 18, 2019 2:53 PM

Ya, Russian/Prussian Iron boilers were more a 19th century thing. The DMIR engines just had paint. I don't know I've ever seen a recommendation on the specific color paint to use, it's basically just a light/medium gray. I seem to recall years back in the Missabe Historical Society's "Ore Extra" someone recommending what they called "warm gray", which IIRC was gray with a few drops of red mixed in. In service, the engines weathered with coal smoke (and a little iron ore dust) so the original color was kinda hidden.

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Posted by Track fiddler on Friday, January 18, 2019 5:14 PM

I was in Duluth last June.  These are the pictures from the depot. The Yellowstone is packed in there pretty tight at the Museum so it's hard to get good pictures but I do remember seeing Gray. 

Especially this one you can see the gray.

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Posted by Wolf359 on Saturday, January 19, 2019 2:33 PM

Looking at the photos on here and from a Bing search of DM&IR Yellowstones, I'd be inclined to call it either a slategray or battleship gray. I don't know what Scalecoat ll offers in the way of those colors, but I believe ModelMaster has a color they call "Gunship Gray" that would probably be a close match.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Saturday, January 19, 2019 3:08 PM

The OP started the thread on 12-28-18, it was unread until I bumped it on the 1-15.  Wonder if he's still out there?

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Posted by Lewis A. Clark on Saturday, January 19, 2019 7:08 PM

Still here. Saw no activity for quite some time, so I thought the post had been sent to the scrapper. Am inclined to agree with several of the posts that state it's probably not Russian Iron. My source at my local trainshop agrees that Russian Iron has a bluish cast to it right along the lines of gunmetal blue and color images do not seem to support that.

All the color photos I have seen show either a light gray or something a tad darker. I used to be a World War II ship modeler and I am thinking either Light or Dark Sea Gray or maybe German Gray. Looking at promo shots of MTH's DM&IR Yellowstone, its looks like Dark Sea Gray to me. In any case, I think I may err towards a lighter shade so I can highlight the smoke/fire box areas in graphite.

Thanks for all that revived the thread from its obscurity. I'll post photos when it's done.

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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:16 AM

Since the boiler jacketing covered the smokebox too, it would all be the same color.

http://www.steamlocomotive.com/whyte/2-8-8-4/USA/photos/dmir221-gallagher.jpg

If anything, I've seen some photos of Missabe engines where the smokebox area appears darker than the gray boiler, but I suspect that was just because of weathering from the coal smoke.

 

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Posted by Track fiddler on Wednesday, January 23, 2019 12:51 PM

On my lunch break so I thought I'd see what's kicking on the Forum. 

I talked to Josh Miller the manager of the Duluth Depot.  I left a message with him and he returned my call yesterday morning. He said the color match was taken from the color Russian iron as was mentioned here. He said he didn't know what their original color was called but said he would ask some of the other guys when he sees them throughout this week.  That's all I got.

TF

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