Before SP merged with UP did any of their locos make to the east coast either on thru runs or as leases, or did they stay on the western part of the country.
Bruce
At the very least there would have been SP engines newly leaving the factories at Erie and LaGrange back then.I think run throughs are likely, especially considering the SP and SSW ran through the heart of the south. Probably wouldn't be to hard to imagine a SP engine wandering offline from there and heading a bit futher east on run through or as a lease.Now do I have photographic proof of that? No. If you look hard enough I am sure you can find it somewhere.
I remember reading an article in Railfan & Railroad about a guy who was chasing an SP unit on a Conrail train in the early 90s, somewhere around Baltimore.So yeah.....
Possible an SP loco was sold to an eastern road and not yet painted. I recall years ago seeing a bright Bessemer F7 on the B&O, and not until recently did I find out the B&O had purchased a few Bessemer units.
Lots of SP loco's got to at least Chicago as run-thru power on the Rock Island.
Modeling BNSF and Milwaukee Road in SW Wisconsin
I found this picture "just like that":
http://www.railpictures.net/photo/472944/
You can do it to. Go to railpictures.net. They have a real good search function. Enter "Southern Pacific" for railroad. Pick a state you're interested in. Pick years you're interested in.
Press "Find the Photos!"
Shazaam! Graphic evidence of SP power east of the Mississippi. Or Chicago. As the case may be.
Ed
RR_Mel ... The SP Freedom Train GS-4 #4449 might have made it to the east coast for the Bi Centennial 1976 tour. ....
As a visiting Australian, I photographed 4449 in Miami Fla on the very last day of the Freedom Train display from where it was to travel to Birmingham AL about 2 weeks later December 30 '76. I also photographed tunnel motors travelling through Aurora Ill on BN on a freight. I believe they were being trialled rather than run throughs.
I also have seen pictures of Tunnel Motors on trial in a Trains Magazine in a CN yard in Toronto and I think I have seen pictures of D&H units with SP units so in short... you have a number of prototypes!
Cheers from Australia
Trevor
SP/SSW power was often seen on the east coast during the 1970s and 80s. During 1971, I saw a Cotton Belt GP-35 in a Penn Central power consist in the old New Haven South Boston freight yard, 1/4 mile from the waters of Boston harbor and, the Atlantic Ocean. While living in Gulfport, MS during 1973/74, the L&N used to run a freight between New Orleans and Jacksonville, FL with solid consists of SP/SSW or SCL power. The bloody nosed boys were always four axle unit mixes of GP-20, GP-35 and U25Bs. SCL covered their obligations with GP-40/40-2, U30, 33, 36Bs. In 1978, another move put me on the SP's Sunset Route in Texas. Eastern power seen on SP trains between 1978 and 1986 included, Conrail, WM, B&O, SOU, SCL, L&N, and N&W. To a lesser degree, ICG and GM&O also put in appearances, representing Gulf of Mexico ports. The era of the run-through had arrived and SP power was a regular sight on foreign rails from Boston, down the east coast and across the gulf coast to New Orleans.
i had read that the 1776 freedom train needed to use the Reading T1 because the west coast locomotives couldn't handle the the tighter northern east coast tracks.
i saw the Freedom train. I thought it was on a siding on the Morristown& Erie.
greg - Philadelphia & Reading / Reading
gregc i had read that the 1776 freedom train needed to use the Reading T1 because the west coast locomotives couldn't handle the the tighter northern east coast tracks.
Nope. It's because the tighter northern east coast tracks couldn't handle the west coast locomotives.
I can recall seeing SP freight locos in Galesburg IL and Hinsdale IL running east to Chicago on the BN in the late 1980s/early 1990s era. I believe it was even a trackage rights matter that was mooted when the UP took over. Whether the SP power proceeded to go further east I do not know, but there was a lot of power sharing back then.
Dave Nelson
7j43k I found this picture "just like that": http://www.railpictures.net/photo/472944/ You can do it to. Go to railpictures.net. They have a real good search function. Enter "Southern Pacific" for railroad. Pick a state you're interested in. Pick years you're interested in. Press "Find the Photos!" Shazaam! Graphic evidence of SP power east of the Mississippi. Or Chicago. As the case may be. Ed
There are photos of Southern Pacific locos in the State of New York.
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RR_MelThe SP Freedom Train GS-4 #4449 might have made it to the east coast for the Bi Centennial 1976 tour.
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I saw the Freedom Train in Florida. I was just a little kid, and I really wish I could remember it.
-Kevin
Living the dream.
SeeYou190I saw the Freedom Train in Florida. I was just a little kid, and I really wish I could remember it.
Jan. 14, 1977 over the St. Lucie Canal. Photo by Fred Clark, Jr.
Going home, 1977 by Fred Clark, Jr., on Flickr
Actually pulling an Amtrak Excursion while taking a break from AFT duties.
Cheers, Ed
7j43k gregc i had read that the 1776 freedom train needed to use the Reading T1 because the west coast locomotives couldn't handle the the tighter northern east coast tracks. Nope. It's because the tighter northern east coast tracks couldn't handle the west coast locomotives. Ed
T1 is a better loco anyway :p
--Randy
Modeling the Reading Railroad in the 1950's
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If it's a Pennsy T-1...
Steve
If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough!
It's interesting that the GN never got to a T class. In steam, they went from A (0-6-0) to S (4-8-4), skipping I. And in electrics, they started from the other end, and got to W, skipping X.
SP locomotives (diesel) east of home iron include ALCo C-628 7121 which was wrecked while on lease to the L&N in 1971, destroying the nose and cab. The oddity is, the wrecked nose and cab were replaced with GE components similar to those found on GE's U series units. Different sources have the work being done by the L&N or, GE's Apparatus shop in Cleveland OH. The second excursion from home rails involved the 26 GP-35s sent north to Canadian National's Pointe Saint Charles shops for rebuilding in kind, wearing 6300 series numbers. SP units also went south of the border but, that is another subject.
Southern Pacific,Cotton Belt and Frisco on the Clinchfield and Seaboard Coast Line between Bostic NC and Hamlet NC.
Russell
Does anyone ever remember seeing something like a C44-9 or one with a wide cab east of the Mississippi?
I know SP wide cabs went east of the Mississippi. The UP had a contract to provide coal to Atlanta, and SP C44-AC's were used as the 2nd unit on coal trains so both UP and SP C44AC's went at least as far east as Georgia.
Dave H. Painted side goes up. My website : wnbranch.com
There may not be a true, east-west transcontinental railroad in the U.S. but transcontinental run-throughs have long been the norm, especially on land bridge trains.
alcofanschdy Does anyone ever remember seeing something like a C44-9 or one with a wide cab east of the Mississippi?
Plenty of them did. Check this one out: http://www.railpictures.net/photo/57713/
SP/UP/NS on former SOU trackage in Virginia.
Sounds like you don't like my suggestion about searching that site I mentioned. I found a nice shot of one in Pennsylvania. You could, too! And you could check other states. If you wanted.
C'mon, buddy. Give it a try.
I did go to that site and found it interesting. Most of the photos I saw were of the older 2nd generation locos did not find one of a wide cab. Maybe I didn't go deep enough.
alcofanschdy Ed I did go to that site and found it interesting. Most of the photos I saw were of the older 2nd generation locos did not find one of a wide cab. Maybe I didn't go deep enough.
Search terms can be a tricky thing. I can't recall which I picked, though I spent next to no effort doing it, so they should be "regular" ones.
From all the comments, it looks like SP locos showed up just about everywhere. So, if you're modeling, you can be pretty comfortable putting one into a consist. Of course, there's different levels of "pickiness".
NHTX There may not be a true, east-west transcontinental railroad in the U.S. but transcontinental run-throughs have long been the norm, especially on land bridge trains.
In the 1980's I lived in Texas and rode Amtrak to Chicago and then the Broadway Limited to Philadelphia, I remember being disappointed that when we went around Horsehoe curve, the train that passed us had ATSF power on it, I could see that all the time in Texas.