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Home road rolling stock percentage
Posted by tstage on Friday, January 26, 2018 9:35 PM

I've read on several occasions on the forum over the years that when modeling a specific prototype, roughly 40% of the freight rolling stock should be the home road.  Is that only true for the "golden age" of railroads?  Or, would that still hold true for the modern prototypes, as well?

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Posted by BRAKIE on Friday, January 26, 2018 10:57 PM

tstage
Or, would that still hold true for the modern prototypes, as well?

Tom, Here's run down on the weekly report from NS. I hope it helps.

By Car Owner
System  52,011  49,680    49,936  49,757  49,323  48,838 
Foreign RR  27,518  28,200    28,255  29,258  30,319  30,274 
Private  102,975  112,526    114,872  114,362  114,863  116,183 
Total  182,504  190,406    193,063  193,377  194,505  195,295 
Pct. Private  56.4  59.1    59.5  59.1  59.1 

59.5 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By car type.

By Car Type
Box  15,114  15,304    15,511  15,762  16,045  16,194 
Covered Hopper  48,130  50,584    51,177  50,616  50,827  51,822 
Gondola  16,438  16,809    16,896  16,724  16,597  16,632 
Intermodal  10,203  10,320    10,309  10,267  10,284  10,665 
Multilevel  10,602  10,126    9,974  10,955  11,718  11,275 
Open Hopper  38,996  40,165    41,211  40,854  40,482  39,668 
Tank  35,278  39,188    39,787  40,172  40,448  41,196 
Other  7,743  7,910    8,198  8,027  8,104  7,843 
Total  182,504  190,406    193,063  193,377  194,505  195,295 
 


 

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Posted by BigDaddy on Friday, January 26, 2018 11:13 PM

Larry does Private mean leased cars or are there industries that own cars?

 

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Friday, January 26, 2018 11:23 PM

About 1/3 of my freight cars are lettered for the STRATTON & GILLETTE. That ratio looks good to me.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, January 27, 2018 6:18 AM

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Larry does Private mean leased cars or are there industries that own cars?

 
 

Henry,Those are lease cars. Some of the freight car leasing companies is getting into leasing boxcars GATX already has them as does three others besides TTX/Railbox.

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Posted by dehusman on Saturday, January 27, 2018 9:03 AM

If you are modeling before the 1960's, a typical mix might be 50% home road, 25% interchage roads and 25% others.

If you are modeling after 1980 or so, a mix might be 50% private (car initials end in "X"), 25% home and 25% other.

The mix of cars varies by where you are modeling and what you are modeling.  Those percentages are just starting point, not hard and fast rules.  If you are modeling the coal regions in the 1940's then about 75% of the cars will be home road.  If you are modeling the Gulf Coast in Texas or Louisiana in the 1980's then about 75% of the cars will be private owner (chemical cars).

The classic example I use is Ft Worth on the UP.  If you are modeling the E-W former TP there will be auto racks and intermodal cars, if you model the N-S former MKT there will be coal car and grain hoppers.  Same road, same location, same era, different lines, different traffic mixes.

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, January 27, 2018 11:47 AM

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Or, would that still hold true for the modern prototypes, as well?

Tom, Here's run down on the weekly report from NS. I hope it helps.

By Car Owner
System  52,011  49,680    49,936  49,757  49,323  48,838 
Foreign RR  27,518  28,200    28,255  29,258  30,319  30,274 
Private  102,975  112,526    114,872  114,362  114,863  116,183 
Total  182,504  190,406    193,063  193,377  194,505  195,295 
Pct. Private  56.4  59.1    59.5  59.1  59.1 

59.5 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By car type.

By Car Type
Box  15,114  15,304    15,511  15,762  16,045  16,194 
Covered Hopper  48,130  50,584    51,177  50,616  50,827  51,822 
Gondola  16,438  16,809    16,896  16,724  16,597  16,632 
Intermodal  10,203  10,320    10,309  10,267  10,284  10,665 
Multilevel  10,602  10,126    9,974  10,955  11,718  11,275 
Open Hopper  38,996  40,165    41,211  40,854  40,482  39,668 
Tank  35,278  39,188    39,787  40,172  40,448  41,196 
Other  7,743  7,910    8,198  8,027  8,104  7,843 
Total  182,504  190,406    193,063  193,377  194,505  195,295 
 

Larry,

Thanks for that info.  One thing that isn't clear, however, is what are the different columns?  Different weeks?  Different regions?  There's nothing in the heading to differentiate them.

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Posted by riogrande5761 on Saturday, January 27, 2018 1:17 PM

I'd have to think the percentage would depend on the RR a great deal.

For example the D&RGW was a bridge route taking traffic from other connecting RR's and passing it on to another on the other side.  So my guess is the mix of home road freight cars would be much lower than say 40%.  When I look at historical photo's of D&RGW freight trains, that seems to hold true, only a smattering of D&RGW and a broad mix of other roads, perhaps weighted more in terms of friendly connections.

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Posted by kingcoal on Saturday, January 27, 2018 2:35 PM

A huge difference between older and modern fleets is the amount of private equipment. Using the NS as an example, and the UP on the AAR website, modern customers own or lease a far greater percentage of the freight fleet than in the past. UPs percentage approaches 70% private.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, January 27, 2018 2:45 PM

tstage
One thing that isn't clear, however, is what are the different columns? Different weeks?

Tom,Those are different weeks in the month.Its a FRA thing.

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Posted by BATMAN on Saturday, January 27, 2018 2:49 PM

What is the date of these charts. The boxcar/intermodel #s seem way out of wack for starters. I do have limited knowledge and wish to be informed.Laugh

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, January 27, 2018 3:31 PM

Brent,Here ya go..

  Historical Average   Week Ending
1Q17  Dec 2017    12/29/17  01/05/18  01/12/18  01/19/18 
Revisions              
 
 
Cars on Line
By Car Owner
System  52,011  49,680    49,936  49,757  49,323  48,838 
Foreign RR  27,518  28,200    28,255  29,258  30,319  30,274 
Private  102,975  112,526    114,872  114,362  114,863  116,183 
Total  182,504  190,406    193,063  193,377  194,505  195,295 
Pct. Private  56.4  59.1    59.5  59.1  59.1  59.5 
 
By Car Type
Box  15,114  15,304    15,511  15,762  16,045  16,194 
Covered Hopper  48,130  50,584    51,177  50,616  50,827  51,822 
Gondola  16,438  16,809    16,896  16,724  16,597  16,632 
Intermodal  10,203  10,320    10,309  10,267  10,284  10,665 
Multilevel  10,602  10,126    9,974  10,955  11,718  11,275 
Open Hopper  38,996  40,165    41,211  40,854  40,482  39,668 
Tank  35,278  39,188    39,787  40,172  40,448  41,196 
Other  7,743  7,910    8,198  8,027  8,104  7,843 
Total  182,504  190,406    193,063  193,377  194,505  195,295 
 
 
Train Speed (Miles per Hour)
Intermodal  28.6  27.8    26.4  26.6  26.9  26.8 
Manifest  21.1  17.8    15.2  16.8  17.5  17.1 
Multilevel  22.7  19.3    16.4  19.3  19.4  19.1 
Coal Unit  17.4  16.1    14.1  15.2  14.9  15.6 
Grain Unit  18.2  15.6    11.5  14.9  17.8  15.8 
All Trains  22.7  20.4    18.0  19.4  20.0  19.8 
 
 
Terminal Dwell (Hours)
Allentown, PA  24.8  28.9    38.3  28.5  26.1  25.9 
Bellevue, OH  32.2  37.0    56.0  44.4  41.7  49.2 
Birmingham, AL  31.1  43.4    66.6  56.0  48.0  55.8 
Chattanooga, TN  31.0  51.0    69.4  59.2  53.8  61.5 
Columbus, OH  23.2  38.0    47.4  52.5  33.0  78.1 
Conway, PA  29.7  30.8    39.8  29.6  26.5  32.9 
Decatur, IL  23.3  28.2    41.6  30.3  25.0  32.9 
Elkhart, IN  32.5  34.3    42.0  36.0  29.8  35.1 
Atlanta, GA  12.7  19.4    30.7  21.3  13.7  14.4 
Linwood, NC  26.3  36.4    54.4  36.4  36.0  33.6 
Macon, GA  27.4  40.3    58.2  43.5  42.0  46.6 
New Orleans, LA  20.3  30.6    32.0  21.6  19.4  22.9 
Roanoke, VA  34.5  33.0    39.6  28.7  29.9  29.9 
Sheffield, AL  27.4  29.5    40.8  32.7  32.9  39.4 
Entire Railroad  24.3  28.1    38.2  32.2  28.4  30.4 
 
 
 
 

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Posted by NittanyLion on Saturday, January 27, 2018 6:36 PM

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What is the date of these charts. The boxcar/intermodel #s seem way out of wack for starters. I do have limited knowledge and wish to be informed.Laugh

 

The modern boxcar story is confusing because it is incredibly regional. My railfanning is mostly the NS Pittsburgh Division or CSX in the national capital region. In Pennsylvania, there's almost no boxcars to be had. Here in DC, it is mountains of them. I recently saw a train of about 85 cars. My count put it around 30 boxcars. 

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Posted by marksrailroad on Saturday, January 27, 2018 7:31 PM

I always try to include a few cars of the road name of the loco. As for the original question. I'm sorry but my knowledge of modern trains is null and void...

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Posted by tstage on Saturday, January 27, 2018 7:34 PM

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Brent,Here ya go..

  Historical Average   Week Ending
1Q17  Dec 2017    12/29/17  01/05/18  01/12/18  01/19/18 
Revisions              
 
 
Cars on Line
By Car Owner
System  52,011  49,680    49,936  49,757  49,323  48,838 
Foreign RR  27,518  28,200    28,255  29,258  30,319  30,274 
Private  102,975  112,526    114,872  114,362  114,863  116,183 
Total  182,504  190,406    193,063  193,377  194,505  195,295 
Pct. Private  56.4  59.1    59.5  59.1  59.1  59.5 
 
By Car Type
Box  15,114  15,304    15,511  15,762  16,045  16,194 
Covered Hopper  48,130  50,584    51,177  50,616  50,827  51,822 
Gondola  16,438  16,809    16,896  16,724  16,597  16,632 
Intermodal  10,203  10,320    10,309  10,267  10,284  10,665 
Multilevel  10,602  10,126    9,974  10,955  11,718  11,275 
Open Hopper  38,996  40,165    41,211  40,854  40,482  39,668 
Tank  35,278  39,188    39,787  40,172  40,448  41,196 
Other  7,743  7,910    8,198  8,027  8,104  7,843 
Total  182,504  190,406    193,063  193,377  194,505  195,295 
 
 
Train Speed (Miles per Hour)
Intermodal  28.6  27.8    26.4  26.6  26.9  26.8 
Manifest  21.1  17.8    15.2  16.8  17.5  17.1 
Multilevel  22.7  19.3    16.4  19.3  19.4  19.1 
Coal Unit  17.4  16.1    14.1  15.2  14.9  15.6 
Grain Unit  18.2  15.6    11.5  14.9  17.8  15.8 
All Trains  22.7  20.4    18.0  19.4  20.0  19.8 
 
 
Terminal Dwell (Hours)
Allentown, PA  24.8  28.9    38.3  28.5  26.1  25.9 
Bellevue, OH  32.2  37.0    56.0  44.4  41.7  49.2 
Birmingham, AL  31.1  43.4    66.6  56.0  48.0  55.8 
Chattanooga, TN  31.0  51.0    69.4  59.2  53.8  61.5 
Columbus, OH  23.2  38.0    47.4  52.5  33.0  78.1 
Conway, PA  29.7  30.8    39.8  29.6  26.5  32.9 
Decatur, IL  23.3  28.2    41.6  30.3  25.0  32.9 
Elkhart, IN  32.5  34.3    42.0  36.0  29.8  35.1 
Atlanta, GA  12.7  19.4    30.7  21.3  13.7  14.4 
Linwood, NC  26.3  36.4    54.4  36.4  36.0  33.6 
Macon, GA  27.4  40.3    58.2  43.5  42.0  46.6 
New Orleans, LA  20.3  30.6    32.0  21.6  19.4  22.9 
Roanoke, VA  34.5  33.0    39.6  28.7  29.9  29.9 
Sheffield, AL  27.4  29.5    40.8  32.7  32.9  39.4 
Entire Railroad  24.3  28.1    38.2  32.2  28.4  30.4 
 
 

Thanks, Larry!  That helps a lot...

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Posted by mlehman on Saturday, January 27, 2018 9:41 PM

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I'd have to think the percentage would depend on the RR a great deal.

For example the D&RGW was a bridge route taking traffic from other connecting RR's and passing it on to another on the other side.  So my guess is the mix of home road freight cars would be much lower than say 40%.  When I look at historical photo's of D&RGW freight trains, that seems to hold true, only a smattering of D&RGW and a broad mix of other roads, perhaps weighted more in terms of friendly connections.

 

Even on the same railroad, there could be some real contrasts. The standard gauge main lines definitely reflect that assessment. If you look at the coal-generating branches, there's a story that varied a lot by era. They tended to have much higher % of home road coal cars back before the big lease fleet hoppers arrived on the scene. Now the lease fleet hauls a high % of that coal.

But if one looked at the Rio Grande narrowgauge, then home road cars are probably 95%+, the main exception being leased tank cars.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Saturday, January 27, 2018 10:14 PM

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A huge difference between older and modern fleets is the amount of private equipment. Using the NS as an example, and the UP on the AAR website, modern customers own or lease a far greater percentage of the freight fleet than in the past. UPs percentage approaches 70% private.

 

Looking at the number of car shops that has closed or downsized over the years I've always suspect the railroads would like to get rid of their freight cars and let the lease companies furnish the cars.

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Posted by dehusman on Saturday, January 27, 2018 11:13 PM

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Looking at the number of car shops that has closed or downsized over the years I've always suspect the railroads would like to get rid of their freight cars and let the lease companies furnish the cars.

You also have to look at the car mix.  The UP has over 60,000 more covered hoppers and 30,000 more tank cars because they serve more chemical and grain areas. Most of those car types are private owner cars.  Their traffic mix lends itself to more privates.  They also have more auto racks and intermodal cars and they are almost all private cars.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Sunday, January 28, 2018 7:04 AM

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They also have more auto racks and intermodal cars and they are almost all private cars.

Maybe in the UP but,I see a lot of railroad owned autoracks in this area including some old SP racks bearing Southern Pacific with SP recording marks.

At near 60% private one can see the slow trend toward lease companies supplying the nations freight car pool-don't overlook those lease boxcars that's beginning to show up. Think of the money railroads would save by not having to maintain their own car fleet.

If you really want to read a eye opener read the special report in the January(2018) issue of Trains  Magazine.

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:38 AM

There was perceived to be a boxcar shortage in the early 1970's, and it's at that time you started to see the yellow Railbox boxcars, and smaller railroads (Middletown & New Jersey, Providence and Worcester) building large fleets of "per diem" boxcars.

What percentage of cars would be 'home road' in a train partly depends on what the railroad does. A shortline railroad, or a railroad dedicated to switching cars from railroad to railroad, like the Minnesota Commercial in the Twin Cities, or the Belt Ry. of Chicago, may own very few cars. A large railroad with many online industries may have many freight cars to serve it's many online shippers.

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Posted by BRAKIE on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 11:26 AM

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A large railroad with many online industries may have many freight cars to serve it's many online shippers.

We can't overlook the lease boxcars,coil cars,gons from GATX,CIT/CEFX and others.

You can go trackside and you never know what you will see as far as motive power. While railfaning this past Sunday the first two NS trains I saw had BNSF and the second had UP power and the third train had NS power.

Stix,I dunno,seems the railroads is sliding down a greasy tube to the hot place..

 

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 12:50 PM

...in a handbasket.

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Posted by cuyama on Tuesday, January 30, 2018 6:35 PM

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If you are modeling before the 1960's, a typical mix might be 50% home road, 25% interchage roads and 25% others.

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Posted by CNSF on Thursday, February 1, 2018 10:20 PM

I actually did a survey of all the cars I could identify in my collection of prototype photos and videos, all taken in the same general region and within a few years either way of my modelling date. This yielded hundreds of cars, a big enough sample for a very reliable breakdown both by car type and owner/paint scheme. So I can tell you pretty definitively that on the Santa Fe in Oklahoma in 1964, about 50% of the freight cars were owned by ATSF.

What this says about the UP in Nebraska in the 90s or Seaboard in the Carolinas in the 40s, I have no idea. Try using the photo survey approach yourself - it's fun and you'll notice all sorts of interesting and useful details.

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