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Alco Switcher Locomotive Without Short Nose

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Alco Switcher Locomotive Without Short Nose
Posted by NWP SWP on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 12:23 AM

I was at a club I'm planning to join this evening and a guy I was talking to said that there is an Alco (I want to say RS3 but I'm not sure) down in New Orleans that had its short nose removed because it was in switcher service. Any help?

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Posted by BigDaddy on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 4:01 AM

Your question has me wondering, what is under the short hood on and RS3 or a GP7?

thedieselshop.us shows a RS1 rebuilt as a "cowl" for passenger service on Alaska RR.  It looks a lot like a F3.  None of those are said to survive.  It could also be how they repaired crash damage on that particular loco.

 

 

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Posted by DSchmitt on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 4:56 AM

BigDaddy
Your question has me wondering, what is under the short hood on and RS3 or a GP7?

The toilet.

Steam generator on locos so equipped.

I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 6:33 AM

DSchmitt

 

 
BigDaddy
Your question has me wondering, what is under the short hood on and RS3 or a GP7?

Steam generator on locos so equipped. 

And the sandbox for the short hood truck, the head lights for the short hood end, dynamic brakes if so equipped, miscellaneous control equipment (cab signals, radios, etc.)

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Posted by rrinker on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 6:51 AM

 Is it really an RS with the short hood removed, or just an S model which never had them? Depending on the model, the long hoods can be very similar.

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Posted by DSO17 on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 7:32 AM

Google search "Penn Central 9950" and/or "Conrail 9950"

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Posted by wjstix on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 8:55 AM

Interesting! Kind of the reverse of C&NW's "Hammerhead" Alcos:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2389375

Speaking of no noses....

I have a dog with no nose.

How does he smell?

Awful!

(For the Monty Python fans) Laugh

 

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 9:31 AM

dehusman

 

 
DSchmitt

 

 
BigDaddy
Your question has me wondering, what is under the short hood on and RS3 or a GP7?

Steam generator on locos so equipped. 

 

 

...dynamic brakes if so equipped...

 

No, they were located near the center of the long hood.

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 9:33 AM

DSO17

Google search "Penn Central 9950" and/or "Conrail 9950"

 

 

I have led a sheltered life, and never seen such a thing.

I LIKE IT!

But where do they put the top of the gearbox for the "rear" truck?

 

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 9:37 AM

7j43k
But where do they put the top of the gearbox for the "rear" truck?

Don’t be silly — isn’t it obvious it has tank drive?

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Posted by NWP SWP on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 11:53 AM

PC 9950 is like what I was looking for he said there was huge porch on it. Now someone mentioned a geep 7 without its short hood you have to post a picture of that!

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Posted by mbinsewi on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 2:22 PM

You might be talking about this one:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=345929

It's a GP9.

One our younger members built one, IIRC.

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Posted by BigDaddy on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 2:29 PM

mbinsewi
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=345929 It's a GP9.

That's just wrong, shame on them.

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 2:57 PM

Overmod

 

 
7j43k
But where do they put the top of the gearbox for the "rear" truck?

 

Don’t be silly — isn’t it obvious it has tank drive?

 

 

Don't forget Hobbytown!

 

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Posted by DSchmitt on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 3:11 PM

7j43k

 

 
dehusman

 

 
DSchmitt

 

 
BigDaddy
Your question has me wondering, what is under the short hood on and RS3 or a GP7?

Steam generator on locos so equipped. 

 

 

...dynamic brakes if so equipped...

 

 

 

No, they were located near the center of the long hood.

 

Ed

 

 

 Dynamic brakes on equipped RS3 were on top of short hood, GP7 on the long hood.

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Posted by cx500 on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 3:38 PM

Ed:  your correction needs correction.  You are right, if it is a GP7, but the original poster mentioned RS-3s (even if that may have been a misidentification).  If equipped with dynamic brakes they were located in the short hood, and that was the case for all the low hood Alco roadswitchers.

Once Alco changed to the high hood models (RS-11 and following), then there was room under the long hood for the dynamic brake.  Even so, CN still ordered some of their RS-18s with the d/b in the short hood.

John

 

7j43k
 
dehusman

 

 
DSchmitt

 

 
BigDaddy
Your question has me wondering, what is under the short hood on and RS3 or a GP7?

Steam generator on locos so equipped. 

 

 

...dynamic brakes if so equipped...

 

 

 

No, they were located near the center of the long hood.

 

Ed

 

 

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Posted by dehusman on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 4:15 PM

7j43k
No, they were located near the center of the long hood.

Nope.  In an RS2, 3, RSD4, 5 the dynamic brakes were located in the short hood, they had intakes on the sides of the hood and exhaust out the top.  The louvers on the side of D&H 4123 are the intakes and the exhaust is the square thing above the number boards.

That's why the "hammerhead" RS3's that had both a steam generator and dynamic brackes had a full height short hood, because both had to fit in the short hood.  WM 193 had both, notice the rectangular exhaust for the DB on the top of the short hood.

Baldwin roadswitchers also had the dynamic brakes in the short hood.

 

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Posted by 7j43k on Wednesday, November 08, 2017 4:27 PM

Yikes.  You mean I was WRONG?

OK.

I thought that DB's on the RS-3 were indicated by those long slot thingys that are on the long hood between the lift-up doors on the edges of the hood:

 

 

 

 I suppose they may have been general ventilation, though.  Or something else.

 

Ed

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