I am working on a freight roster list for my home layout. My question relates to having both an Atlantic Coast Line 50' PS1 boxcar and an Seaboard Coast Line PS1 boxcar on the same layout. I know that the Seaboard Coast line started in 1967. Would it be protypically incorrect to have both an ACL PS1 boxcar and an Seaboard Coast Line PS1 boxcar in a freight consist if one was modeling the era of 1967 and the merger had already taken place?
I would presume that it would take awhile to get them all repainted, especially if it were close to merger. My guess is that when they came in on their regular maintenance shopping schedule, they'd get repainted. If one happened to be off on another road, it could take awhile to get back home. Go for it!
Have fun,
Richard
Repainting is interesting.
BN repainted all the locomotives owned by previous railroads in about 5 years. Except for the ones soon to be sold/scrapped.
BNSF still has BN painted engines running over 20 years after formation.
My point being that there is no "official" repainting standard/rule.
That said, it's my impression that freight cars were never repainted in the same way that a railroad MIGHT try to get all their locomotives in the new scheme. Singly, yes. Usually because of some significant work being done. So, I would not at all be surprised to have seen ACL and SCL cars mixed. Interestingly, "immediately" after SCL formation, it would be the SCL cars that would be rare. Some time later, there would be a 50/50 mix. And then, eventually, ACL cars would all be gone.
My July 2005 Official Railway Equipment Register shows 9 ACL cars still extant.
Ed
Painting locomotives rolling stock etc takes time and money It probably did not happen all at once.
Joe Staten Island West
wcu boy I am working on a freight roster list for my home layout. My question relates to having both an Atlantic Coast Line 50' PS1 boxcar and an Seaboard Coast Line PS1 boxcar on the same layout. I know that the Seaboard Coast line started in 1967. Would it be protypically incorrect to have both an ACL PS1 boxcar and an Seaboard Coast Line PS1 boxcar in a freight consist if one was modeling the era of 1967 and the merger had already taken place?
Yes,those cars would be right at home along side of freshly painted SCL cars. You would still see ACL and Seaboard locomotives in service.
I seen PRR,NYC and PC cars in the early 80s.
Larry
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I am pretty sure I have seen a covered hopper still painted for WP a few days ago, nearly 35 years after UP swallowed WP. Here is a picture from January 2016, http://www.railcarphotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=91856. It seems repainting freight cars is usually not a priority for railroads, so it can take many years for a railroad's paint scheme(s) to disappear after being being bought out.
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DavidH66Let's be fair here, I will guarantee that those 9 cars were MOW. Most the big railroads use old predecessor lines reporting marks for there cars..
Guarantee?
Wouldn't the phrase (Cement-Phosphate) in one of the entries kind of negate that?
Just wondering.
Perhaps you should rethink that "guarantee" since the merger happpen the same year he models. It would be impossible for both line cars and locomotives be painted in a short time.
Even CSX has some predecessor cars with CSX recording marks still in general service..On the NS you still see lots of N&W and Southern cars in general service. The list is endless.
If one railfans he would see a lot of fallen flag cars if one pays attention to the passing train.
I first starting taking photos at BN's Northtown Yard (north of downtown Minneapolis) in 1984, 14 years after the merger that created it. There were still a fair number of NP, GN and CB&Q cars in the yard at that time - although I believe Northtown was one of BN's major shops, so it's possible many of them were waiting for a shopping that would also result in their being repainted. However, I do have pics of Big Sky Blue GN boxcars in Northtown, apparently still being used, in 1990.
Heck, I saw a Penn Central covered hopper last Thursday
Brakie,
He was referring to my comment about ACL cars in 2005.
wjstix I first starting taking photos at BN's Northtown Yard (north of downtown Minneapolis) in 1984, 14 years after the merger that created it. There were still a fair number of NP, GN and CB&Q cars in the yard at that time - although I believe Northtown was one of BN's major shops, so it's possible many of them were waiting for a shopping that would also result in their being repainted. However, I do have pics of Big Sky Blue GN boxcars in Northtown, apparently still being used, in 1990.
From that same 2005 Big Book of Freight Car Lists:
CB&Q 122 cars
FWD 4 cars
GN 165 cars
NP 225 cars
SP&S 0 cars (sniff)
And THAT is 10 years after BN has come and gone.
7j43k Brakie, He was referring to my comment about ACL cars in 2005. Ed
Ah,ok..
I've seen a faded out CR gon that had PC beginning to show through.---along with the jade green paint underneath. I still see faded Chessie,few faded Family lines and a occasional Seaboard System covered hoppers of course the recording marks was CSX.
The you can see this from time to time taken around 5 years ago but,these old SP cars are still out there. Then those two old lease cars.
Go ahead and use your ACL boxcar. I photographed SAL oxide red and "Green Hornet" boxcars in the mid 80's on the SP. I also shot ACL "Thanks For Using Coast Line" and "Another Cushioned Load" cars as well. Only two of the ACL cars had their reporting marks changed to SCL at least 15 years after the merger. Try to find an Official Railway Equipment Register for the year you are modeling. You will be surprised how many cars from roads that disappeared 20 years prior were still in interchange service.
Predecessor road cars often last decades after mergers without repainting. From http://rr-fallenflags.org/acl/acl.html .
1980.
1981.
1997.
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Mike Kieran
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Mike KieranDon't forget, when a railroad gets merged or absorbed into a new corporate entity, the new company has exclusive rights to the copyrighted reporting marks and identity of the predesessor or absorbed railroad, so repaints aren't a priority. Does that make sense?
And they may wear the predessor reporting marks even after repainting. Also they may apply a particular predessor reporting mark to new cars or even to cars from another predessor railroads when repainting them.
Depends on the railroads numbering system.
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DSchmitt Mike Kieran Don't forget, when a railroad gets merged or absorbed into a new corporate entity, the new company has exclusive rights to the copyrighted reporting marks and identity of the predesessor or absorbed railroad, so repaints aren't a priority. Does that make sense? And they may wear the predessor reporting marks even after repainting. Also they may apply a particular predessor reporting mark to new cars or even to cars from another predessor railroads when repainting them. Depends on the railroads numbering system.
Mike Kieran Don't forget, when a railroad gets merged or absorbed into a new corporate entity, the new company has exclusive rights to the copyrighted reporting marks and identity of the predesessor or absorbed railroad, so repaints aren't a priority. Does that make sense?
Exactly. Trying to sort out a new numbering system can be time consuming, especially in the pre computer days.
Go ahead and mix 'em up, railroads only repaint boxcars, or any cars for that matter, when they absolutely, positively have to, usually when they go in for a major overhaul and rebuilding.
And it certainly wouldn't have been unusual to see an ACL-SCL mix of cars on the old RF&P here in the Richmond VA area back then anyway.
By the way, several years back a CSX official said they didn't mind graffiti "artists" tagging the cars as it saved CSX the trouble of repainting. I hope he was joking, but who knows?
Some say graffiti tagging, some say custom paint jobs.
I saw a Chicago Great Western covered hopper in 1997. It was absorbed by the CNW in 1968.
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I have no problem at all "mixing'em up" on my '70's layout, when Chessie took over the B&O, C&O and others. I have B&O, C&O, ACL and other liveries in the "family", as I do recall the old paint still on those cars, along with Chessie paint during that time. I even still have Erie and DL&W cars, along with EL cars as another example, among many instances of these post-merger mixes. As Mike Kieran stated, the acquiring road takes on the acquired road's "brand", if you will, so repainting the rolling stock is not a big priority.