atsf boxcar which ones ? please help

[stefanuccio]

Hi All

I am trying to make some realistic consists with some of the Athearn ATSF boxcars and i need the help of the more experienced members

I would like to depict a motive of the mid/late  1950's by my boxcars availability is scarce

this is what i have

40'boxcar  BX 37   A.T.S.F. the Chief  series n.146454

40'boxcar  BX 37   A.T.S.F. El Capitan series n.142413

40' boxcar FE 26   ATSF  double plug doors   n.5927

50'boxcar  FE 24   ATSF   El Capitan    series n.10337

50'boxcar  FE 24   ATSF   the Scout     series n.10304

are this boxcars sitable for the period i want to depict ?

can they be run together in a freight service consist behind ATSF zebra stripes locomotives ?  

thanks very much for your reply and guidance

[jrbernier]

  The Athearn 40' box car is quite close to an AAR 1937 box car used by the ATSF.  The paint schemes you described should be good as well.  The new blue/yellow paint scheme was just arriving,  so most of the GP7/9's were still in their delivery 'zebra stripe' paint scheme.

Jim

[stefanuccio]

hi Jim

thanks very much for your consistent guidance much appreciated

I have noticed now that the double plug door 40'boxcars have the reflective cross/circle which started in 1958 so i will have to model from that year

Also the 40'boxcars have maps [straight] and are in A.T.S.F.lettering with the periods

can this boxcars still be suitable for the 1958-60 period and be mixed with the ATSF double plig doors boxcars?

thanks

 

[stefanuccio]

his the atsf herald also a factor?

[tomikawaTT]

I recall seeing ATSF 'map' boxcars in Texas in the late '50s, and even in the early '60s.  They showed up as singles, mixed with a lot of other cars.

Chuck (Modeling Central Japan in September, 1964)

[zstripe]

Stefanuccio,

Take a look at Your other thread in General Discussion.

Try not to do that in the future, it confuses things. Two threads with the same topic.

Take Care! 

Frank

[wp8thsub]

There are resources specializing in the Santa Fe and just freight cars in general where you can get more in-depth information.  Try these http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/atsf146936main.html , http://www.atsfrr.com/links/atsf/freight.htm , http://atsfrr.net/resources/AuePeter/ATSF%201950%20significant%20freight%20car%20classes.pdf or http://www.qstation.org/atsfresource.html#FreightCar .

[stefanuccio]

hi Rob

thanks for the links

i have been there already but without much success

hi Chuck

I know a number of map cars have survived to the late 50' early 60'  but probably in the A T S F lettering without  the periods

the problem with my map cars is that they are lettered A.T.S,F. with the periods which shortens they suitability for a mid/late 1950's

sorry Z Stripes i am desperate for a solution where i live i have to do with what i have got 

[zstripe]

Stefanuccio,

The reason why I brought that up was you have other people replying to that other thread, I am one of them. Others with some help, maybe.

Take Care! 

Frank

[wp8thsub]

stefanuccio

hi Rob thanks for the links i have been there already but without much success...

OK let's look further.

Here's one of the cars you asked about.  At http://www.atsfrr.com/resources/Sandifer/Paint/index.htm (linked from one of the pages I suggested above), it states the A.T.S.F. reporting mark format dated from 1938-1943.  That fits with the model's "new 4-41" date by the light weight stencil.  Per http://www.atsfrr.com/resources/TaylorTerry/SF%20Timeline%202011%2012%2006.pdf , the Chief slogan was appropriate for cars painted from roughly 1940-1947, again consistent with a car delivered new in 1941.

This photo was taken in 1967 per http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=atsf140632&o=atsf .  The reporting marks have the later ATSF without the periods, but it does show the longevity of paint schemes with passenger train slogans.  A plausible era for your car might be 1940s-1960s or later, as some cars with the slogans outlived the passenger trains themselves and lasted through the 1970s.  Reweigh stencils and other evidence of age would be appropriate after a few years.

[stefanuccio]

hi Rob

i think i am loosing my mind trying to absorbe so much infos all at once this is a subject not to underestimate

I really appreciate your excellent guidance and i thank you together with the other contribuiting and helping members

May be is better that i set a time period for my modeling and go ask about what can i use to model that period i was thinking of 1953-55 early/mid 1950's this based on the fact that i know all the atsf zebra stripes locomotives models i have where already all in service

thanks also about the pic of the Chief boxcar you have posted it helps me to reason a bit better

This boxcar has still the A.T.S.F. lettering with periods that was suppose to have lost after 1943

but would it be still suitable as it is in this format [still with A.T.S.F. periods] to run this boxcar in a mixed freights /boxcars of the time period 1953/55 ? and if yes in what percentage [approx.]?

thanks again for your patience

[stefanuccio]

https://udisco.com/hobbies/pics/070161.jpg

Here is another puzzling boxcar

this is a double plug doors 40' boxcar is with the new circle herald and new slogan 'Ship and travel'

in which time period would be prototopically correct to see some of this boxcars run in freight service ?

thanks

 

[wp8thsub]

stefanuccio

This boxcar has still the A.T.S.F. lettering with periods that was suppose to have lost after 1943 but would it be still suitable as it is in this format [still with A.T.S.F. periods] to run this boxcar in a mixed freights /boxcars of the time period 1953/55 ? and if yes in what percentage [approx.]?

Paint schemes can last a long time.  A particular scheme may have been superseded by a given date for new paint jobs, but the existing cars may be around for decades before getting repainted.

I model the Western Pacific circa 1980.  They still had a fair number of cars in as-delivered 1950s paint, with additional stencils and other markings added over time, and often with revised safety appliances for the post-1966 regulatory changes.  Cars could be painted more often in earlier eras, but no major railroad will repaint all existing cars en masse to comply with a new paint or lettering scheme.  It would be gradually phased in and some cars may never receive it before being retired.  Percentages of older cars vary by road and era.  Forums specializing in the Santa Fe would be better resources for information paricular to their cars.

[wp8thsub]

stefanuccio

Here is another puzzling boxcar this is a double plug doors 40' boxcar is with the new circle herald and new slogan 'Ship and travel' in which time period would be prototopically correct to see some of this boxcars run in freight service ?

Here's the photo from your link.  Per http://www.atsfrr.com/resources/TaylorTerry/SF%20Timeline%202011%2012%2006.pdf , that scheme dates to 1959 or later.  The ACI label (multi-colored bar code next to the herald) dates the model to circa 1967 or later.

[DSchmitt]

Morning Sun Books      ATSF Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment     would answer a lot of your questions. 

Contains color photos with brief captions which include built dates and dates photos taken.

The book is Out of Print but a couple used copies are offered on Amazon.com at about $49.00.  

The original retail price was $49.95.   

[stefanuccio]

thank you

[stefanuccio]

Rob [or any other member]

https://udisco.com/hobbies/pics/070161.jpg

this is an ATSF double plug door boxcar with large herald white with circle/cross

its logo 'ship and travel Santa Fe all the way,

it also has reflective scotchlite markings on the side white cross/black background

in your opinion which is an adequate proper time period for this boxcar to be prototopically at home ?

thanks for your help

 

[stefanuccio]

https://udisco.com/hobbies/pics/070161.jpg

[stefanuccio]

here is another and possibly better pic

http://www.pacific-western-rail.com/view_product.php?ProductID=170002

any idea of the time period is suitable for >?