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Builder of NP Heavyweight Dining Car #1692

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Builder of NP Heavyweight Dining Car #1692
Posted by Valeriy on Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:08 AM

I was supposed that the builder of this car was The Pullman Company. To my surprise I have not found any information about NP dining car #1692 in Pullman Passenger Car Catalog (Kratville Publications, 1968) and NP Color Guide to Freight & Passenger Equipment (Morning Sun Books Inc., 1995).
Who was the builder of NP Heavyweight Dining Car #1692?
 Is it correct #1692 for NP Heavyweight Dining Car?
 
Happy New Year!
 
Valeriy Ukolov.
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Posted by mlehman on Saturday, January 4, 2014 9:24 AM

Valeriy,

Happy New Year!

I looked up that car in this index:

http://passcarphotos.info/Indices/NP.htm

No luck there, but I found a link to possible sister car:

http://www.gn-npjointarchive.org/Lists/NP_Gene_Hawk_Photos/DispForm.aspx?ID=518

It is Pullman-built. There's a good possibility that the car you have matches it. I wasn't able to find any photos of 1692 other than rather old ones of cars that may be in the same class. It's possible that Challenger has pics from a private collection, plus other data, that supports the fact that it's a Pullman. They aren't perfect at CIL, but they usually get things pretty accurate. My guess is that it's a Pullman.

Is there anything about the car that makes you think it's not a Pullman?

Mike Lehman

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Posted by Valeriy on Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:49 AM

Thank you for your answer and links, Mike.

My doubts are based on these facts:

There is no any information about this car in Pullman Passenger Car Catalog book (I think it is an authoritative source. Or not?)

I know that heavyweight cars were built by another companies such as Springfield, Mo., Shops, Canadian Car & Foundry Co.

One note. Car #1697 has 242 trucks. CIL model has another trucks (standard 2410 Pullman trucks?)

 

Sincerely,

Valeriy.

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Posted by wjstix on Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:24 AM

Keep in mind the NP car may have been built by Pullman-Standard, but your book may only list cars owned by the Pullman Company.

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Posted by Valeriy on Sunday, January 5, 2014 1:52 AM

Thank you, I did not know the difference.

Do you know the source (book, etc.) information about the cars built by Pullman?

 

Valeriy.

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, January 6, 2014 8:45 AM

Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any books that list all the passenger cars built by Pullman. It would be a pretty long book.

Pullman for many years built, owned, and operated sleeping cars (and other cars too) in the U.S. Their cars were generally dark "Pullman" green and had "PULLMAN" on the letterboards. After WW2, the operating part of the business was sold off to a combination of US railroads, and Pullman kept just the car manufacturing part of the business, Pullman-Standard.

Stix

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