Elesco Feedwater Heaters on 2-10-0 Russian Decapods

[Isambard]

Were any of the Russian Decapods fitted with Elesco feedwater heaters by the many railroads that operated them?

[orsonroy]

I've never seen a photo of one, and I'm a fan of the Decs. But...that doesn't mean that you couldn't model a freelance road and add one yourself. Bowser (Cal Scale) and Precision Scale both make all the brass parts you'll need.

[Isambard]

QUOTE: Originally posted by orsonroy

I've never seen a photo of one, and I'm a fan of the Decs. But...that doesn't mean that you couldn't model a freelance road and add one yourself. Bowser (Cal Scale) and Precision Scale both make all the brass parts you'll need.

Thanks Ray. I'll probably fit my two Russions with Elesco's, after I've done so with a Spectrum 2-8-0.

Since you too are a Russian Dec fan, do you by any chance have weight and tractive effort for same, and if so where did you find the numbers? As you may have seen on this and other forums, I'm trying to confirm numbers.

[nfmisso]

See:
http://www.orgsites.com/mo/beltonrailroad/steam.htm

[M636C]

A quick check of photos in the Kalmbach "Cyclopedia" doesn't show any feedwater heaters.

Many of the WWII built locomotives were fitted with the Worthington type SA feedwater heater, contained within the front of the smokebox, with a small rectangular "box" in front of the stack. Yem 3993, built by Alco, was one of those fitted.

Photos appear in "Allied Military Locomotives of WWII" by R Tourret.

Peter

[jrbarney]

Isambard,
This is not meant to correct Nigel, as he is usually correct, but George H. Drury's "Guide to North American Steam Locomotives," 1993, Kalmbach Books, ISBN 0-89024-206-2, gives slightly different weight and tractive force values, on page 176, than are given on the site he noted.
Bob
NMRA Life 0543

[Isambard]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jrbarney

Isambard,
This is not meant to correct Nigel, as he is usually correct, but George H. Drury's "Guide to North American Steam Locomotives," 1993, Kalmbach Books, ISBN 0-89024-206-2, gives slightly different weight and tractive force values, on page 176, than are given on the site he noted.
Bob
NMRA Life 0543

Bob: Any chance you can tell me what those values are and to which class/subclass, without infinging copyright of course? Nigel's link leads to the Illinois Central Museum, its Frisco Russian Decapod and Baldwin's data. Linn Wescott's Steam Loco Cyclopedia gives a Reading listed weight of 183,500 lbs and a T.E. of 51,490 lbs. weight . There were a lot of Russians produced over the years. With modernization it wouldn't be surprising that there would have been increases in weight and TE on the later models.

[jrbarney]

Isambard,
Hope this doesn't upset Bergie. I'm not a rivet counter, but this is to aid your personal research. Quoting from page 176 of George H. Drury's "Guide to North American Steam Locomotives," 1993, Kalmbach Books, ISBN 0-89024-206-2: "They were light locomotives, weighing about 201,000 pounds in working order. . . . . Their axle loading was only about 35,000 pounds per axle and they could exert a tractive force of 51, 500 pounds. The USRA "light" locomotives were designed with a maximum axle loading of 54,000 pounds; the tractive force of the Russian Decapod was the same as that of the USRA 0-8-0 and almost as much as that of the light 2-8-2. . . ." I did not find any footnotes or end notes citing the information source.
As you probably already know, Mr. Drury was Senior Editor of the Books Department of Kalmbach Publishing Co., and the editor of the book was Bob Hayden.
This $ 27.95 USD, 448 pages, 8.25" x 5.5" soft cover book is packed with steam loco information. I just wish it had a larger page size so that the photos could have been larger.
Bob
NMRA Life 0543

[Isambard]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jrbarney

Isambard,
Hope this doesn't upset Bergie. I'm not a rivet counter, but this is to aid your personal research. Quoting from page 176 of George H. Drury's "Guide to North American Steam Locomotives," 1993, Kalmbach Books, ISBN 0-89024-206-2: "They were light locomotives, weighing about 201,000 pounds in working order. . . . . Their axle loading was only about 35,000 pounds per axle and they could exert a tractive force of 51, 500 pounds. The USRA "light" locomotives were designed with a maximum axle loading of 54,000 pounds; the tractive force of the Russian Decapod was the same as that of the USRA 0-8-0 and almost as much as that of the light 2-8-2. . . ." I did not find any footnotes or end notes citing the information source.
As you probably already know, Mr. Drury was Senior Editor of the Books Department of Kalmbach Publishing Co., and the editor of the book was Bob Hayden.
This $ 27.95 USD, 448 pages, 8.25" x 5.5" soft cover book is packed with steam loco information. I just wish it had a larger page size so that the photos could have been larger.
Bob
NMRA Life 0543

Thanks Bob:
Bergie shouldn't be upset if it helps to sell the publication, which I'll consider after I get a few opinions ($27.95 USD means $37.27 Cdn, plus S&H!). I was a bit disappointed in Linn Wescott's Steam Loco Cyclopedia, as despite being advertised to cover most U.S. and Canadian locomotives, the Canadian content is minimal and contains no CPR content. How does the Drury Guide measure up in that respect?

[jrbarney]

Isambard,
Am not sure how much would be enough, but one section, approximately 12 pages long covers CLC, CNR and CPR and incorporates rosters of CN and CP locomotives built since 1900. The index has 6 Canadian indicies, including those heretofore mentioned, and three of which include a photo. Uniquely Canadian technical developments may also be included but perhaps not indexed as such. Possibly someone has done a book review since the first printing in 1993, eh ? My copy is from the 3rd printing, in 1999, if that indicates anything.
Bob
NMRA Life 0543

[Isambard]

QUOTE: Originally posted by jrbarney

Isambard,
Am not sure how much would be enough, but one section, approximately 12 pages long covers CLC, CNR and CPR and incorporates rosters of CN and CP locomotives built since 1900. The index has 6 Canadian indicies, including those heretofore mentioned, and three of which include a photo. Uniquely Canadian technical developments may also be included but perhaps not indexed as such. Possibly someone has done a book review since the first printing in 1993, eh ? My copy is from the 3rd printing, in 1999, if that indicates anything.
Bob
NMRA Life 0543

Thanks Bob. You encouraged me, to the point of buying a slightly used copy through Amazon.com for $13.95 USD (plus darn it, $9.79 USD for S&H). Now if I can only find a copy of Omer Lavallee's "Canadian Pacific Steam Locomotives" at a similar bargain price!