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Tank cars
Posted by Been Nothing Since Frisco (BNSF) on Saturday, May 29, 2010 8:55 PM
I am thinking about putting in an oil industry on my layout. the situation is it's the late 1970's (anywhere from 77-79) and there would be oil pumped out of the ground to the facility, to be moved to a refinery (I'm sure you all know that how that part works, but I thought it might make a difference on what type of car). So what cars in HO scale will I need? Depending on size I would only need 3 or4. Thanks for any help.
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Posted by Allegheny2-6-6-6 on Saturday, May 29, 2010 11:47 PM

When you say oil industry are you talking refinery or a fuel oil company such as a lot of towns have for home heating oil and the like. If your talking oil refinery I can't speak as an expert but I worked in the Exxon refinery here in Linden , NJ for a while and all of our pipping was above ground. I actually asked my foreman if any of the pipes were under ground and he said not in this place. Imagine if you had a leak in a pipe under ground, A: you wouldn't see it until way too much time had passed and once you did find it imagine what would be involved in repairing it. That why we have monkey's like you to walk the line checking for leaks. Trust me watching paint dry would be more interesting.

 Here's a picture of a very nicely done moderately sized oil refinery and a link to his web page maybe you can get some answers there.

http://www.midwestnpioneer.org/oldsite/central/refinery.html

 

 

 

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Posted by ericsp on Sunday, May 30, 2010 2:52 AM

The Walthers 23,500 gallon tankcars would work. The Atlas 23,500 gallon ACF tankcars would probably work. However I am not sure it the prototype existed back then. It probably did, but I am not sure.

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Posted by leighant on Sunday, May 30, 2010 6:00 PM

 "I am thinking about putting in an oil industry on my layout. the situation is it's the late 1970's (anywhere from 77-79) and there would be oil pumped out of the ground to the facility, to be moved to a refinery (I'm sure you all know that how that part works, but I thought it might make a difference on what type of car)."

My study of the oil industry in Texas in the 1950s showed comparatively little crude oil moving from wellheads of refineries in railroad tankcars.  1957 figures from the Texas Railroad Commission show "only" 17 thousand tankcar loads of crude petroleum moved that year, compared to almost 50 thousand carloads of gasoline, 450 thousand carloads of other refined petroleum products.

Those products moved by rail to county-level bulk oil dealers:

 

from which it would go by truck to individual service stations within a 25 to 50 mile radius.  Refiners owned or leased cars with their brand names boldly emblazoned.

 

 

 

Large railroads had their own fleets of company service tankcars to take delivery of diesel fuel and lubricating oil...

 

Gulf oil ad for diesel locomotive lubricant.Business Week Aug 27, 1955 p.89

The military also received railcars loads of fuels.  Some fuel depots on bases were the military equivalent of the private bulk oil dealer (bottom picture in set below)

 

"Gulf sells ammonia produced from petroleum to Spencer Chemical of Kansas City for use in manufacturing fertilizer."  Mentioned in news story about proposed Gulf purchase of Spencer, Time Sept.20, 1963 p.92

Refiners also received catalytic agents such as Fluorspar by rail.

The refining process also took carloads of Sulphuric Acid, delivered in special acid tank cars.  Stauffer Chemical "regenerated" used Sulphuric Acid and had tankcars specificially assigned to "spent acid'" service.

Leaded gasoline has been generally outlawed since the beginnings of the "environmental era", but there used to be tetraethyl lead antiknock company shipped to refineries-- again in special cars...

 

Refiners also shipped canned products... Adv: Oil cans used for Esso, Shell, Gulf manufactured by Crown Cork & Seal Co, with plants in Chicago, St. Louis and east and west coasts. Business Week Nov.19,1955 p.4

Phillips Petroleum produced olefin polymers in the 1950s, and to introduce the Marlex plastic, they worked out a deal to supply the material for the first HULA LOOPS.

I have a list of dozens of tankcars involved in these shipments, maybe I can get back later.

 

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Posted by leighant on Sunday, May 30, 2010 11:13 PM
Here is my model of a tankcar which might be found at a refinery-- a Santa Fe company service tankcar.  I understand they had a fuel contract with Texaco.  Very likely usually contracted with a refinery on their own line. 

 Almost ANY tank car lettered for a railroad will be IN COMPAN Y SERVICE.  Railroads did not usually supply tank cars for customers. Here are some references to published photos, scale drawings, information on tank cars which might service a refinery.  Some are oil company cars, others are cars of suppliers to refiners... AMOX 9216 1 dome  1967 pix _SF Trackside w/ Bill Gibson_,p.75    1971 _Eqpt Reg_ lists American Oil Co. AMOX 9030-9464 TM ARA-III    10,000 gallon; not listed 1954 _Reg___Anchor ANPX 2660 ICC-105 high-pressure LPG    _RailModJournal_ Nov97 p.21 APTX 564 Acme Petroleum Co. 10,000 gallon      APTX not listed 54 Eqpt Reg.      Train Shed Cyclopedia #12 p.1922-261; p.1925-255. ARRX 116  Arrow Refining Co.  Waco,TX 8000 gal. AAR III      ARRX not listed 54 Eqpt Reg.      Train Shed Cyclopedia #12 p.1922-261; p.1925-265 BEPX 105  Belcher Oil Co, Miami,Fla. blt 1930       riveted single dome 10,154 gallons TM      listed 54 Reg      "A Rolling Pipeline of Colorful Tank Cars: Classic       Freight Cars Vol.2" p.19 1973 pix BORX 851  Boynton Refining Co. Boynton, Okla 8000 gal. blt 1918      AAR III      BORX not listed 54 Eqpt. Reg.      Train Shed Cyclopedia #12 p.1922-261; p.1925-255. Cities Service Oil EORX 1575 capy 8166  TPI listed 54 Eqpt Reg      1930s pix _Warbonnet_ 3Q 96 p.14 Clack:  H. Earl Clack Co.  see KLAX reporting marks CONX 180 Conoco 3-dome, model photo Athearn _ModRRer_ Apr02 p.44    listed 54 Reg. TM 80,000 # capy.      N model: Bachmann 3-dome tank      N decal: Microscale 60-422 "signs" may work for herald. CONX 5052-5112 Conoco USRA design  1 dome TM 8000 gal      listed 54 Reg      Model Railroading MarApr84 p.32      N model: Intermountain 8000 gal type 27      N decal: Microscale 60-422 "signs" may work for herald.      HO decal rec by MRRing: Walthers 934-1116 AND 1117                Champ HT52 AND HT53     (have Walthers 1117, nothing usable for N except C.O.N.X. and        it is too widely spaced...)     (Microscale sign set would do for the Conoco triangle herald)     (Microscalwe RR Gothic alphabet for "Continental Oil Company")  COSX 2269 Mid Continent petroleum, 2 dome,   Model Railroader Nov 2005 p.56 Department of Defense cars---DODX 6144 blt 1949  ICC 103W dome, non-insulated      RMC Feb80 pix & plan DODX 12107 U S Army tankcar originally USAX 12107    blt 1951 ACF,series 11635-12374 10,000 gallon ICC-103W,     welded tank, reporting marks later changed to DODX 12107     retired & preserved at Feather River RR Museum, Portola,CA    prototype of Red Caboose HO model    _RailModJournal_ Apr96 p.53,55 HO model    p.55 review of Red Caboose model p.56 2 pix preserved at museum DODX 12650.blt 1952 by GAT as USAX 12650; series 12600-12699    10,000 gallon ICC-103W, welded tank    1972 pix as DODX 12650 _RailModJournal_ Apr96 p.53  GATX 63677 DuPont  listed 54 Eqpt.Reg as TPI, assigned to Motor fuel antiknock compound service1967 photo from website www.rr-fallenflags.org DuPont SHPX 7336  ICC 103-A-W  for sulphuric acide      listed 54 Reg      pix "Popular Picture & Plan Book" (Simmons-Boardman, 1951 book)  p.234 EBAX 3095 Ethyl Corporation blt 54      listed 54 Reg as TPI ICC 105A 300W      "A Rolling Pipeline of Colorful Tank Cars: Classic       Freight Cars Vol.2" p.54 color pix EBAX 6039 Ethyl Corporation blt 44      listed 54 Reg as TPI ICC 105A 300W      "A Rolling Pipeline of Colorful Tank Cars: Classic       Freight Cars Vol.2" p.54 color pix EBAX ETHYL Corporation      artist's rendering of typical antiknock fleet      6000 gallon tankcar,      p.192, "Ethyl: A History of the Corporation and the      People Who Made It", Joseph C. Robert, 1983.      (listing added Oct 29,92)  EORX 1575 Cities Service Oil Co. capy 8166 gal. TPI    listed 54 Eqpt Reg. 1930s pix _Warbonnet_ 3Q 96 p.14  

 

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Posted by leighant on Monday, May 31, 2010 3:34 PM
Yesterday, I posted references to published photos, scale drawings, information on tank cars with reporting marks beginning A through E.  I keep these in several “Word” files, with spaces etc. between entries.  However, when I copy these into the trains.com forums, although it shows the spacing on the compose page, it kicks out the spaces and jumbles the entries All together when actually displayed.  It does NOLT do this when I compose a post by typing directly, and I do not have that problem on any other forum. Perhaps if I enter several iterations of the “underline” character, the entries will have some visual separation that the forum program will not kick out.  Today’s tank car information is for cars with reporting marks (or owner’s names) F through M._____________________________________________________________GATX 33634 blt 1946 DOT103W TMI dome,insulated      used to ship brake fluid to Houston in 1970s      tank dia. 7'2"  dome dia 6' tank length 34'6"   8081 gallons      car 37'4" over platforms  jacketed, welded seams      "RMC" Feb80 p.56 pix & plan_____________________________________________________________ GATX 38196  ICC-103A for acid service 7000 gal listed 54 Reg.   tank dia. 70" (just under 6')      Train Shed Cyclopedia #12 p.1940-317_____________________________________________________________ GATX 59822 listed 54 Reg as TAI (acid tank)      HO AHM kitbash, not much proto info MR Feb77 p.68_____________________________________________________________ GATX 63389  DuPont blt 1948 used in antiknock compound service      series 63300-63399 listed 54 Reg      "A Rolling Pipeline of Colorful Tank Cars: Classic       Freight Cars Vol.2" p.8  color pix _____________________________________________________________GATX 63410 green and yellow color similar to DuPont GATX 63389      but DuPont name not visible in B&W photo       motor fuel antiknock compound service  3018 gallon      blt 1953  listed 54 Reg  TPI      1980 pix at Beaumont ProtoMod Dec81 p.32 _____________________________________________________________ GCX 6645 General Chemical Co  ICC-103-AW  acid tank? 6500 gal  blt 1948          using frames and trucks from old cars. listed 54 Eqpt Reg as TAI.            pix American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.104  _____________________________________________________________ GCX 7579 General Chemical Co.  ICC 103-A  acid tank?  9800 gal  blt 1930            GCX 7565-7579  not listed 54 Eqpt Reg            pix American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.74 (copy in file) _____________________________________________________________Gulf Oil   ACF type 27 riveted 10,000 gal tank    HO model by Intermountain mentioned, pix similar SHPX model    _RailModJournal_ Mar97 p.67 _____________________________________________________________Gulf Oil GATX 1878 shown in Walthers PLD-1      number listed 54 Reg as TM 80000 # capy, series 1800-2899      should be similar to GATX 1928 8000 gallon  Class ICC-103      Train Shed Cyclopedia #12 p.1931-316; p.1937-340      p.1940-303 _____________________________________________________________Gulf GATX 15592 8000 gal.  prize O scale model _NMRA Bull_ Nov78 p.72 _____________________________________________________________Gulf Oil GRCX 5010 blt 1923  1 dome  TM riveted 10,140 gallon      listed 1954 Reg      "A Rolling Pipeline of Colorful Tank Cars: Classic       Freight Cars Vol.2" p.60 color pix_____________________________________________________________ Gulf Oil WNRX 14280  blt 1930 1 dome non-pressure  1979 pix.      # not listed 54 _EqptReg_ for Warren or Gulf      "A Rolling Pipeline of Colorful Tank Cars: Classic       Freight Cars Vol.2" p.60 color pix        Note: Gulf Refining Co. acquiring Warren Petroleum       of Tulsa OK in exchange-of-stock deal. including       4300 car tankcar fleet. _Business Week_ Nov.19, 1955 p.66 _____________________________________________________________HHCX 310, Champlin Petroleum (subsidiary of Celanese)

car donated to South Texas Railroad Historical Society and then to Galveston Railroad Museum.  1983 picture by kla.

_____________________________________________________________Houston Chemical Co division of PPG  PPGX 6972      antiknock compound tank, blt 1956 DOT 105A 300W      "A Rolling Pipeline of Colorful Tank Cars: Classic       Freight Cars Vol.2"  p.51 color pix _____________________________________________________________Humble Oil HOX 315  _Houston North Shore_(book)  p.86 _____________________________________________________________Humble Oil UTLX 31589  ARA-III blt 1918 UTLX series 21000-42999    100,000 lb. capy w exceptions   service stencil late as 1969    kla photo, Galveston RR Museum, 1997. 

http://www.trainboard.com/railimages/data/533/humbleoil.jpg

 _____________________________________________________________IOX 6  ICC-104 for casinghead gasoline listed 54 Reg, under UTLX      Train Shed Cyclopedia #12 p.1931-318; p.1937-345;      1940-316. _____________________________________________________________IOX 3150 Imperial Oil Ltd./Premier Gasoline/Royalite Coal Oil      10,000 gal. blt 1921 listed 54 Reg. under UTLX      Train Shed Cyclopedia #12 p.1922-268_____________________________________________________________  KLAX reporting mark listed 54 Reg. to H.Earl Clark Co of Havre,    Montana  8 cars TM ca.8000 gallons        H. Earl Clack, 200 wholesale and retail petroleum outlets,    wholly owned subsidiary of Husky Oil Co. acquired Dec.1, 1954.      Husky also had oil properties in Texas, Louisiana and 5 other    states, refinery at Cody, Wyoming, steel plants Omaha & Boise.    leased 400-550 tank cars. _Moody's Industrial Manual_ 1955 p.2209        H. Earl Clack born Blossom, TX 1881, raised in Ft.Worth.    at age 18 visited a sister in Havre, Montana and decided to stay    there, went into transfer business, grain handling. became agent    for Conoco.  In 1913 former H. Earl Clark Inc.        (H.Earl Clack biography web page)        (see also:  Donna McGregor, museum curator                    H. Earl Clack Museum & Gallery                    300 Third Ave.                    P O Box 1054                    Havre, Montana 59501(My initials are “KLA” so I thought it would be neat to have a KLAX tank car.  Have not gotten to it yet though...)_____________________________________________________________KOTX 879 Kanotex (Kansas Oklahoma Texas--      Anderson Pritchard Oil Corp, Oklahoma City)      not listed 54 Reg      kla pix at Museum of Industry and Transport, Galveston, Texas. 

 KOTX 1004 Kanotex Refining Co ARA spec.III  10,115 gal. blt 1920            listed 54 Eqpt Reg TM            pix American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.62 (copy in file) _____________________________________________________________KOTX 8309-8404 Kanotex USRA design TM 8000 gal.            Model Railroading MarApr84 p.32_____________________________________________________________KOTX 8395 Kanotex Refining ARA spec.III  8174 gal.  blt 1926            KOTX 8201-8400, 200 cars listed 54 Eqpt Reg TM            pix American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.68 (copy in file)_____________________________________________________________ LAPX 257 Linde Air Products cryogenic gas box-tank pix,RailModJourn July 93 p.49_____________________________________________________________ LAPX 264 Linde Air Products box-tank      listed 54 Reg series 101-599      pix RR Car Journal#1 Aug71 p.3    **** kla N-scale model ****  _____________________________________________________________ LAPX 315 Linde Air Products cryogenic gas box-tank ex 101-111 series, blt 1940 pix,RailModJourn July 93 p.53_____________________________________________________________ LAPX 2001 Linde Air Products cryogenic gas box-tank modeling info,RailModJourn July 93 p.12_____________________________________________________________ LAPX 2014 Linde Air Products cryogenic gas box-tank roof view pix,RailModJourn July 93 p.49; pix p.52_____________________________________________________________ LAPX 2025 Linde Air Products tankbox blt 1952      "A Rolling Pipeline of Colorful Tank Cars: Classic       Freight Cars Vol.2" p.62 color pix_____________________________________________________________ LAPX 2026 Linde Air Products cryogenic gas box-tank pix,RailModJourn July 93 p.49 _____________________________________________________________LAPX 2032 Linde Air Products cryogenic gas box-tank pix,RailModJourn July 93 p.48 _____________________________________________________________LAPX 2037 Linde Air Products cryogenic gas box-tank pix,RailModJourn July 93 p.52 _____________________________________________________________LAPX 3001 Linde Air Products cryogenic gas box-tank modeling info,RailModJourn July 93 p.12 _____________________________________________________________LAPX 3020 Linde Air Products cryogenic gas box-tank pix,RailModJourn July 93 p.52 _____________________________________________________________LAPX 3040 Linde Air Products cryogenic gas box-tank model pix,RailModJourn July 93 p.13 _____________________________________________________________LSPX partial view of tank  _Santa Fe in the Lone Star State_ vol.1 p.36 _____________________________________________________________Linde Air Products SERX 985 box tank      listed 54 Reg as Shippercs Car Line series 500-1043      pix Rail Model Jounral Jul90 p.47 _____________________________________________________________Linde Air Products SERX 1044 box tank  blt 1960      data sheet Microscale Decal RH-54 _____________________________________________________________Linde box tank SERX 901 proto pix, _Mainline Modeler_ May93 p.67  _____________________________________________________________Mid Continent petroleum,  COSX 2269, 2 dome. Model Railroader Nov 2005 p.56 _____________________________________________________________MCCX 108 Mutual Chemical Co. AAR III for sulphuric acid Only 2 cars owned in 54, no #108      Train Shed Cyclopedia #12 p.1925-258 _____________________________________________________________ Mobilgas  SVX 2127 (Socony-Vacuum Central Region)      USRA design, blt 1954, AAR III TM, 10000 gal      Model Railroading MarchApril 84 p.32 pixMobilgas, 1 dome tank, end distorted perspective view 1940_Coach, Cabbage & Caboose_ p.115(Mobilgas)      HO decal rec by MRRing: Walthers 934-1155 (and 934-758)      (note: HAVE Walthers 1155, nothing usable for N)Ho ad mentions ACF 10,000 gallon high-walkway 3 dome tanks used by Mobil Oil, Texaco; ACF 2-dome 10,000 gallon high-walkway tanks used by ATSF (it says?), Mobil, Texaco  _ModRRer_ May2000 p.49 __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________MOCX 2510 Mutual Oil Co. Kansas City  8,000 gal. AAR III Owner/reporting marks not listed 54 Reg.      Train Shed Cyclopedia #12 p.1925-255; 1928-298 _____________________________________________________________Magnolia MPCX 43    6000 gallon TM listed 1954 Reg.    end pix overturned in train wreck 1930s?    _Journal Tx Shortline RRs_ MayJunJul98(Paris & Mt.Pleas.issue) p.3 _____________________________________________________________Magnolia MPCX 725 tankcar 10,000 gallon type 21. pix of Lifelike Proto    2000 model, _ModRRer_ Apr2000 p.61Magnolia MPCX725 pix Proto 2000 HO model  _ModRRer_ Aug2000 p.75 _____________________________________________________________MPCX 825 Magnolia  shown in Walthers PLD-1      54 Eqpt Reg shows TM 9400 gallon ARA III. _____________________________________________________________MPCX 1536 Magnolia 10K gallon ACF type 21 insulated/jacketed            listed 1954 Eqpt Reg as TMI, class ARA IV            pix HO model Walthers. Model Railroader May06 p.16 

By the way, I model in N scale, don't know what models are available in HO.  But you can compare and see what matches the prototype.

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Posted by leighant on Thursday, June 03, 2010 10:02 AM
Today’s tank car information is for cars with reporting marks (or owner’s names) N through S.  I am going to make another try at getting individual items to appear of different lines instead of all jumbled together. 
  • NATX 18600 North American Car Line, leased to Pennzoil      3 dome 6000 gallon tank  not list6ed 54 Reg      proto pix RMC Aug89
  • NATX 18902 North American Car Line, leased to Pennzoil      4000 gallon 2 dome small diameter tank      blt 1960 but dimensions said to resemble older tank,         tank dia 4'10", rounded end. dome dia 4',       prot pix & drawings RMC Apr89 p.68 ;      scratchbuild article RMC June91 p.74
  • OGPX 294 Oklahoma Gasoline   not listed 54 Reg.. shown in 1940 scene Coach,Cabbage & Caboose (Santa Fe book) p.117
  • PSPX 111 Phillips Petroleum  ARA spec. IV insulated 8000 gal  blt 1920;       not listed 1954 Eqpt Reg.;       American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.65 ;(I was able to borrow a copy of this book from my local public library’s Interlibrary Loan.)
  • PSPX 2166 Phillips Petroleum tankcar single dome;     large block letters "PHILLIPS-66"  not listed 54 Eqpt.Reg.    1930s pix, Warbonnet (journal of Santa Fe Rwy Hist. & Mod. Society) 3Q 96 p.7     I built an  N scale model based on this photo & Walthers PLD: PSPX 9230   TM
  • Phillips Petroleum  SHPX 10246  ARA spec.III 10,144 gal blt 1926 SHPX 10205-10279  75 cars,        listed 54 Eqpt Reg  American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.68
  • PSPX 11014  Phillips Petroleum  ICC-105-A-300  insulated 10,414 gal.  blt 1929             for “Philgas” LPG  PSPX 11010-11019  10 cars   listed 1954 Eqpt Reg as TPI;          pix American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.73
  • PSPX 13085 Phillips Petroleum    ICC-105-A-300-W  insulated 10,478 gal.  blt  1940 for “Philgas” 10 cars     listed 1954 Eqpt Reg as TPI             pix American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.90
  • PSPX 15003  Phillips Petroleum ICC-104A  11,013 gal.  blt 1927;             PSPX 15001-15010            listed 1954 Eqpt Reg as TPI:             pix American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.70
  • Phillips 66 ACFX 88589 Als' Kustom Train Cars custom paint on   Microtrains 39' tankcar.  Not known if prototype.    ACFX not listed 1954 Eqpt Reg.
  • Phillips Petroleum  SHPX 10246  ARA spec.III 10,144 gal blt 1926;             SHPX 10205-10279  75 cars, listed 54 Eqpt Reg;             pix, American Car & Foundry (Kaminski) p.68
   I think I've got it!  Use "bullets" to separate items and lines.  

 

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