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CNW/ Milwaukee Road cabooses

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CNW/ Milwaukee Road cabooses
Posted by Wikious on Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:26 PM
Were Milwaukee Road bay window cabooses exclusive to that line, or did they wind up in other areas? There's a CNW bay-window caboose that still operates in my town, and I'd like to model it. However, I can only ever find Milwaukee Road cabooses. I wish I had pictures to help clarify, but I dont, unfortunately.

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Posted by Paul W. Beverung on Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:23 PM
The Milw Rd desinged and built there cabooses in there own shops, so they were only on the Milw Rd. I think that C&NW used a comerical caboose but I'm not sure and don't know who made them.
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Posted by Wikious on Monday, January 28, 2008 7:44 AM

 Paul W. Beverung wrote:
The Milw Rd desinged and built there cabooses in there own shops, so they were only on the Milw Rd. I think that C&NW used a comerical caboose but I'm not sure and don't know who made them.

Thanks! Smile [:)]

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Posted by wjstix on Monday, January 28, 2008 8:01 AM

If you're talking about the rib-side cabooses, like the ones Walthers is coming out with in HO, those were unique to the Milwaukee. The CNW - well, primarily subsidiary Omaha Road - used wood bay-window cabooses for many years, which I think were converted from older cupola cabooses??

However by the sixties both CNW and Milwaukee had some bay-window cabooses that were I believe built by International and were pretty similar to what many other railroads used. Walthers makes International cabooses in HO; the old Athearn bay-window caboose could work too.

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Posted by Wikious on Monday, January 28, 2008 9:07 PM

Here's pictures of the caboose in question. I found them in a YouTube video.

 

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Posted by wjstix on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 7:51 AM

That looks to be a fairly standard bay-window caboose, similar to the Walthers or Athearn ones I mentioned before. In better days it probably looked like this:

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-7623

The Milwaukee Road-built ribside bay-window cabooses from c.1940 looked like this:

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-7662

Although they later bought more standard International cabooses similar to the CNW ones:

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-7632

(These are models so they're not necessarily exactly like the prototypes, but they're pretty close.)

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Posted by HeavyDuty on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:46 AM

Assuming the car was not renumbered at some point, 10946 is part of a group of 150 cars (series 10900 - 11049) ordered from Thrall in 1959 and 1960.  It was rebuilt in 1981, and almost certainly wore the "flag" scheme after rebuilding.

Here's pics of other cars in the series from happier times courtesy of the CNWHS website:

10950 in 1970.  This is probably pretty close to as-built appearance

11012 in 1980.  A fresh coat of yellow just before the big rebuild program of 1981.

10948 in 1982.  Note the changes from the rebuild process.

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Posted by HeavyDuty on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:51 AM

Oh, forgot to mention - these cars really aren't very close to the stock Athearn BW.  There was a good article in the May 1988 issue of MR on how to kitbash CNW cars using the Athearn as a starting point.

http://index.mrmag.com/tm.exe?opt=I&MAG=MR&MO=5&YR=1988&output=3&sort=A

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Posted by dknelson on Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:16 PM

Fortunately the Milwaukee Road Historical Society has published books on all cabooses: wood, rib side, and steel.  The Walthers model is almost a dead-on version of the Milwaukee Road's International-built bay window caboose.  A few changes can make it nearly exact.   They also had 100 Thrall cabooses with distinct rivet patterns visible -- Overland offered it in HO brass. 

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Posted by Wikious on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:49 PM
Thanks for all the info, everyone. I'll probably get one of the Walthers ones and modify it.

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Posted by HeavyDuty on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:15 PM
Walthers does do a version of their car that is dead nuts for the CNW, just not the car in the pics you posted.
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Posted by dknelson on Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:57 AM

Walthers offers its bay window caboose in a yellow paint scheme as well as the traditional red

 The red version has some detail issues.  Back when they were red they had roof walks and ladders that extended to the roofs, while the Walthers model is of the modified version with roof walks removed and ladders shortened.  Also the herald is not correctly placed for the CNW International cabooses, at least as far as I have been able to track.

It is however a very handsome model which is "good enough" for me and for many others.

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Posted by wjstix on Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:25 AM
I think the Walthers caboose is also available in an undec version that has several options as far as the type of bay window and maybe the placement of other windows...seems to me I bought one for a project years ago and have never gotten around to using it. Dunce [D)]
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