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RDC distance runs.
Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 25, 2007 5:07 AM
Where was the longest RDC run between two places and how long did it take?
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:44 AM
The longest run of which I'm aware was the tri-weekly Zephyrette on WP between Salt Lake City and Oakland, about 917 miles.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:20 AM

Hello Paul,

That is quite some run,I suppose that there were crew changes for the engineer and conductor and to pick up refreshments and to refuel? what car would it have been a RDC 1,2,or 3?

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Posted by DSchmitt on Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:41 PM

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 25, 2007 4:30 PM

Thats an interesting site,but not much on the RDC operations though.How long did the trip take ?

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Posted by leighant on Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:26 PM
 branchline wrote:

How long did the trip take ?

From the March 1958 Official Guide

leave San Francisco 4PM Pacific Time

arrive Salt Lake City 3:45PM next day, Mountain Time

That's 22 3/4 hours.

Westbound 8:40AM MT - 5:55AM PT  22 1/4 hours

about 60-70 stops including flag stops.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 26, 2007 4:27 AM

That's some trip,I wonder if anyone did the full run could it have been the rail equivalent of a greyhound coach?

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Posted by nbrodar on Friday, October 26, 2007 11:07 AM

While doing research for one of my RDC projects I ran across this interesting website about RDCs.

http://www.budd-rdc.org/

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 26, 2007 1:30 PM

Hello Nick,

Thank you for the link to the rdc site,What rdc projects do you have? I have 3 Athearn RDC3 cars which is the correct scale length and I intend to convert into rdC4 and fit SPUD power trucks and a 3/4"x5" steel weight to slow the spud and one car will have the fluted ends removed to be painted red.

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Posted by cuyama on Friday, October 26, 2007 1:51 PM
 branchline wrote:

That's some trip,I wonder if anyone did the full run could it have been the rail equivalent of a greyhound coach?

According to retired WP engineer Norman Holmes' book My Western Pacific Railroad (Steel Rails West Publishing, 1996), the ridership was primarily dead-heading crews and pass riders. So probably few went end-to-end.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 27, 2007 4:30 PM

It would seem to be an expensive way to move crews about using a long distace RDC especially if passenger ridership was small.

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Posted by cnw400 on Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:42 PM

From the  book titled "RDC The Budd Rail Diesel Car" by Donald Duke and Edmund Keilty-

The Zephyrettes, heavily modified RDC-2s, ran because without them, "the California Zephyr would have to handle all the mail and express" between Oakland and Salt Lake City "plus make some 26 stops.  That would destroy it". 

So the Zephyrettes made three round trips a week.  They go on to say that in its first year the Zephyrettes "carried 6,378 revenue passegers and 20,891 "deadheads" traveling on a company pass."

"Since the trains had to be run anyway, it was far cheaper for the company to carry its own crews and mail rather than pay someone else to do it".

WP applied to discontinue service October 1, 1960.

An excellent book, highly recommended for anyone interested in the RDC.

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Posted by paulsafety on Sunday, October 28, 2007 12:58 PM

The Baltimore and Ohio commissioned the Budd company to build a pair of modified RDC-2's as coach-snackbar-baggage units that were matched with rdc-1's for operation between Philadelphia, Washington DC and then to Pittsburgh, PA.  One set left from each endpoint of the route each day.  Later the route was cut back to Baltimore, MD on one end.

http://jeffstrainsite.com/railfan_pics/railroad_museums/Baltimore_and_Ohio_Railroad_Museum/February_2002/page48.html

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 29, 2007 11:57 AM

Hello Paul,

Nice item on the B&O RDCs,thenk you for the link

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Posted by R. T. POTEET on Monday, November 5, 2007 4:22 PM

Didn't Uncle John Santa Fe run RDCs in the Rio Grande Valley between Albuquerque and El Paso?; I know that isn't anywhere near 917 miles but that's still a pretty healthy distance. Seems to me that these units replaced EMC Gas Electrics on this route and were frequently run with a trailing lightweight coach.

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Posted by passengerfan on Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:04 PM

 I happened to be one who was fortunate enough to have rode on one of the WP RDC 's from Oakland to Salt Lake City. I gave up a chance to ride the California Zephyr from Oakland to Chicago just to ride the Zephyrette and it was worth it. Their were actually two passenger compartments in the WP RDC-2s One was the conventional flip over back type seats common to many RDCs reserved for WP employees and the other compartment was for revenue passengers with more comfortable reclining seats. Looking at my notes on that particular trip it stopped for all meals and everywhere else as it crossed Nevada. The crews were friendly and I rode up front for parts of the trip getting an engineers view.

Another long distance RDC trip was the Pacific Great Eastern (PGE) later the British Columbia Railway between North Vancouver and Prince George, BC the Cariboo Dayliners as they were called. These used RDC 1s and RDC 3s and were equipped with more comfortable seating than the standard flip over back seating and the meals were served at your seats as the RDC3 units had kitchen facilities.  I was fortunate enough to ride this when still a young lad the first year it entered service 1956 I believe.  

I always have had a fascination with the Budd cars took trips on them whenever possible rode many CN and CP routes using Budds and was never disappointed.

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Posted by garya on Monday, November 12, 2007 3:31 PM
After WP stopped the San Francisco-Salt Lake run, the Rock Island's Choctaw Rockette was the longest run in North America, logging 761 miles between Memphis and Amarillo.

On http://www.railpage.org.au/comrails/cr_locos/r_cb.html , however, there is information on Budd RDCs in Australia, running from Port Augusta to Kalgoorlie, a distance of 1,052 miles.

Gary

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